More Michigan Cheating

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

That’s my favorite part. This is somehow both the most advanced undercover operation ever in which all documentation was deleted connecting staff members -and- so stupid that stallions bough tickets from official sites under his name on his open Venmo.

 

[fordman84]

That’s my favorite part. This is somehow both the most advanced undercover operation ever in which all documentation was deleted connecting staff members -and- so stupid that stallions bough tickets from official sites under his name on his open Venmo.

It can be both. Everything the staffers created they deleted, but they weren't aware the moron was using payment types and doing other stuff they can't delete.

Oh and the staffers don't realize what it actually takes to destroy messages and emails

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It can be both. Everything the staffers created they deleted, but they weren't aware the moron was using payment types and doing other stuff they can't delete.

Oh and the staffers don't realize what it actually takes to destroy messages and emails

The messages were recovered and showed nothing.

 

[Red_Alert]

The messages were recovered and showed nothing.

Cool.

So why is Michigan imposing a 2 game suspension on Moore about it?

 

[Red_Alert]

Here's something good to chew on. A lot of the earlier stuff we've already discussed. Basically a Michigan plea bargain.

However, the article gets much better as it goes along.

Thoughts?

Mental Gymnastics may be in order.

Joel Klatt on Michigan football's latest sign-stealing saga: 'Something's coming and it's likely very large'

News hit last week that Michigan football head coach Sherrone Moore was expected to take a self-imposed two-game suspension from the University of Michigan. All

www.si.com

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Cool.

So why is Michigan imposing a 2 game suspension on Moore about it?

Because this otherwise minor transgression combined with the precious thing he was already on probation for, cheeseburger gate, ridiculously makes it more serious. The ncaa views the act of deletion as a cover up; irrelevant if the content of those messages.

 

[fordman84]

The messages were recovered and showed nothing.

Messages being recovered only means someone thought deleting them would do any good.

 

[fordman84]

Because this otherwise minor transgression combined with the precious thing he was already on probation for, cheeseburger gate, ridiculously makes it more serious. The ncaa views the act of deletion as a cover up; irrelevant if the content of those messages.

No. If they are posts about things unrelated to sign stealing then it would irrelevant. In that case they weren't deleted messages anyone cares about and thus no suspension.

The suspension proves that staff other than Stallions knew what stallions was up to.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Oh look. WhoPhoneDis want's to distract to page after page of Michigan/Ohio St...... Again.

Who dint see that coming?

Huh? I only mentioned Ohio because they are the only team outside of Michigan in the B1G who has won anything. I'm not making it a Michigan/Ohio discussion.

Outside of Ohio -- Michigan wouldn't need to find an advantage on the others, as they are more talented than the rest of the teams (this was before Oregon, USC)

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Messages being recovered only means someone thought deleting them would do any good.

Nah. I caught an employee stealing from us, first thing I did before he was even officially fired is delete all our conversations in slack and removed his calendar from my view. Seems like a pretty typical response if you ask me.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

No. If they are posts about things unrelated to sign stealing then it would irrelevant. In that case they weren't deleted messages anyone cares about and thus no suspension.

The suspension proves that staff other than Stallions knew what stallions was up to.

Nope. In fact the texts were discussed in the leaked Michigan response. The charge is the act, not the content. Had they included something it would have been worse; certainly more than CMU and Nebraska.

That said, I suspect Moore did it because a few texts were about stallions job to steal signs. The yahoo reporter:

"Some of the text messages between Moore and Stalions paint a fascinating picture of the behind-the-scenes nature of Michigan's sign-stealing effort — one that, according to the school, is perfectly within the rules and is a fairly normal art among college football staffs," Yahoo wrote.

Many of the text messages were unrelated to any sign-stealing — such as Stalions reminding Moore of a recruit's birthday. But a few were tied to sign-stealing, though none in Yahoo's report indicated that Moore knew the lengths at which Stalions was operating his system. Stalions is accused of using a network of friends, family and fellow low-level staffers to scout 52 games in-person in an effort to obtain opponents' signals.

"The university notes none of the texts were specifically about the in-person advanced scouting system," Yahoo wrote.

 

[Red_Alert]

No. If they are posts about things unrelated to sign stealing then it would irrelevant. In that case they weren't deleted messages anyone cares about and thus no suspension.

The suspension proves that staff other than Stallions knew what stallions was up to.

"iT WuZ jUsT fRiEnDs/FaMiLy GeTTiNg fRee TiCkEtS"

There are also 8 instances of fellow Michigan staff members getting tickets from Stalions.

 

[Red_Alert]

Oh look. WhoPhoneDis want's to distract to page after page of Michigan/Ohio St...... Again.

Who dint see that coming?

Huh? I only mentioned Ohio because they are the only team outside of Michigan in the B1G who has won anything. I'm not making it a Michigan/Ohio discussion.

Outside of Ohio -- Michigan wouldn't need to find an advantage on the others, as they are more talented than the rest of the teams (this was before Oregon, USC)

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You can try to turn it into a michigan/ohio thing, but they were only mentioned, as they were the team who kept saying that is why Michigan beat them. The rest of the B1G didn't really matter, as UM was more talented than all the other teams.

 

[cwerph]

Cool.

So why is Michigan imposing a 2 game suspension on Moore about it?

He was suspended for being terminally stupid.

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[Shanemansj13]

Cool.

So why is Michigan imposing a 2 game suspension on Moore about it?

Minor nonsense apparently LOL

 

[Shanemansj13]

Nah. I caught an employee stealing from us, first thing I did before he was even officially fired is delete all our conversations in slack and removed his calendar from my view. Seems like a pretty typical response if you ask me.

A guy took a couple fries from Burger King...Michigan should get the death penalty

 

[Shanemansj13]

If this were the "nothing" that so many Cheater fans claim -- this would have been resolved a year ago with a negotiated settlement. There's a reason it has gone to this length and it isn't because the NCAA won't cut a deal. They will cut a deal but they will ask for certain things as the minimum punishment. By every account, The Cheaters don't want to accept those terms. It's also why they've brought in THREE different groups of attorneys on this, hoping one of them can find a loophole to scurry through. It doesn't appear to be working.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

If this were the "nothing" that so many Cheater fans claim -- this would have been resolved a year ago with a negotiated settlement. There's a reason it has gone to this length and it isn't because the NCAA won't cut a deal. They will cut a deal but they will ask for certain things as the minimum punishment. By every account, The Cheaters don't want to accept those terms. It's also why they've brought in THREE different groups of attorneys on this, hoping one of them can find a loophole to scurry through. It doesn't appear to be working.

More complex than that. Michigan fought the allegations, the B10 also stepped in an preemptively, and I'd argue unfairly, acted and then very literally the entire coaching staff left for the NFL; with varying degrees of remaining cooperation with the investigation. The timeline has mostly played out to the maximums of what's dictated in the investigation rulebook. They've separated the cases with other individuals into individual cases and are settling those one by one.

Some of viewing Moore's punishment for deleting the texts as some admission that something larger is on the horizon and I view the relatively insignificant punishment for a repeat offender, and the fact that Michigan thinks they can get away with suspending him for randomly chosen CMU and Nebraska, as a sign that this is (in fact) a nothingburger we expected it to be.

Could they target vacating some of the wins before Stallions resigned? Maybe, but that would be unprecedented when not talking about an ineligible player, playing in the game. I expect this to be mostly resolved at this point, with some recruiting punishment to the University, some fine to the University, show-causes for the staff that they've already handed out, the 3 game suspension Harbaugh already endured, and the 2 game suspension for Moore.