12 Team CFP Playoff

I can live with a “the more you win the more you get” set up…without guaranteed spots to begi with. Just the twelve highest rated teams by the CFP. If no G5s, Big 12 or ACC teams are among the best twelve, then they just need to get better.
These aren’t the same thing.
The PRECISE reason you have a few guaranteed spots is to hedge against your rating system not fully encapsulating “the best”.
That’s literally the point of it.
 
These aren’t the same thing.
The PRECISE reason you have a few guaranteed spots is to hedge against your rating system not fully encapsulating “the best”.
That’s literally the point of it.
Sooo, the rating system is good enough for five spots but not the other seven?
 
Sooo, the rating system is good enough for five spots but not the other seven?
Is this how they taught you to break down an argument in Shit Creek University or wherever you went?

we need a rating system, and we leave a hedge against it not being perfect… oh look, I’m repeating myself.
 
These aren’t the same thing.
The PRECISE reason you have a few guaranteed spots is to hedge against your rating system not fully encapsulating “the best”.
That’s literally the point of it.
What did you do with ElTexan? I've actually agreed with you the last few days?

This is exactly why you do AQs ... with 134 teams, you don't play across conferences enough to know exactly who the best is. So get the best from each conference and then fill in with what might be an in exact ranking system. That way no one gets missed that matters.
 
Sooo, the rating system is good enough for five spots but not the other seven?
Truthfully, with 12 or 14 the ranking systems' faults are probably hidden, but AQs also add some fun to the conference championship games. Some of us still take pride in winning or conference.
 
lol Big12..


My initial reaction was the SEC got screwed being tied to the B1G. The SEC has put far more teams in the CFP than the B1G. But, because of the B1G's larger fanbase, they probably even things out - if tOSU, UM, and PSU play, they drive more significant numbers. The SEC gets the most amount because they have the best teams. The B1G gets the most amount because they have the largest fanbases.

Taking away UT and OU, the B12 put just 2 teams into the CFP. That's why they get the less.
 
New CFP agreement

"According to the latest proposal, there is not expected to be a participation-distribution concept as part of the new revenue model — a change that leaders made to the original proposal circulated last week. The current model calls for participating teams to earn revenue by qualifying and then advancing through the field."

This makes no sense to me.
 
New CFP agreement

"According to the latest proposal, there is not expected to be a participation-distribution concept as part of the new revenue model — a change that leaders made to the original proposal circulated last week. The current model calls for participating teams to earn revenue by qualifying and then advancing through the field."

This makes no sense to me.
just saying it's not going to be a participation distribution model which is currently the model..
 
New CFP agreement

"According to the latest proposal, there is not expected to be a participation-distribution concept as part of the new revenue model — a change that leaders made to the original proposal circulated last week. The current model calls for participating teams to earn revenue by qualifying and then advancing through the field."

This makes no sense to me.
Yeah, not sure why the SEC agreed to that. Same with the ACC. This guarantees that FSU and Clemson will be leaving the ACC as soon as they can. If it was based on participation, they could argue they were due more. They can still do that, but it made more sense if the larger amounts of distribution was based on who gets in and wins.
 
Yeah, not sure why the SEC agreed to that. Same with the ACC. This guarantees that FSU and Clemson will be leaving the ACC as soon as they can. If it was based on participation, they could argue they were due more. They can still do that, but it made more sense if the larger amounts of distribution was based on who gets in and wins.
they wanted to take more of the percentages from the G5/Independents
 
they wanted to take more of the percentages from the G5/Independents
It's not really that ... I get that the P2 wanted more. The question was whether you use pre-set shares - that's what they did - or whether you use a combination of a base level per conference share, with the rest distributed based on the number of teams you get in, and how far they go - that's the participation amount. I prefer it be based on merit. More teams that win more games gets you more money. But, the B1G has historically had less teams, that didn't go as far, so the argument would be that they get less money. As I mentioned in another post, the B1G has huge fanbases going for them that drive larger numbers. And that's probably why the SEC agreed to such a split.
 
I prefer it be based on merit. More teams that win more games gets you more money.

You guys convinced me that totally merit based wasn’t foolproof because of the possibility of flaws in the selection process/committee.

But this doesn’t seem hunky dory at all. I can see the initial money going to the conference for distribution. After that, it should go to the school instead of the conference. If Michigan wins three games for the natty, they should get more than say Penn State that won one playoff game and Illinois that didn’t even get in.

I guess if I’m Illinois and/or Penn State I welcome getting the money that Michigan earned. Sounds a little socialistic.

Oops, sorry for bringing politics up.
 
You guys convinced me that totally merit based wasn’t foolproof because of the possibility of flaws in the selection process/committee.

But this doesn’t seem hunky dory at all. I can see the initial money going to the conference for distribution. After that, it should go to the school instead of the conference. If Michigan wins three games for the natty, they should get more than say Penn State that won one playoff game and Illinois that didn’t even get in.

I guess if I’m Illinois and/or Penn State I welcome getting the money that Michigan earned. Sounds a little socialistic.

Oops, sorry for bringing politics up.



You are conflating the selection process v. the compensation plan.

- I like some AQs for the possibility of flaws. With 12 or 14, I don't think the flaws will happen, but I still like limited AQs for that reason.

- Once in, I like the idea of compensation to be a combination of a base payout to all conferences, equally ... say $100 million. And then the rest to he given based on participation and success. That's what March Madness does.
 
The rest be given to the conferences or the teams?
It's given to the conferences who can then decide how to split it. The SEC will split it evenly, once the participants' expenses are covered. The ACC might have done it differently. But evidently they aren't doing any participation shares. Just straight up conference splits.
 
My initial reaction was the SEC got screwed being tied to the B1G. The SEC has put far more teams in the CFP than the B1G. But, because of the B1G's larger fanbase, they probably even things out - if tOSU, UM, and PSU play, they drive more significant numbers. The SEC gets the most amount because they have the best teams. The B1G gets the most amount because they have the largest fanbases.

Taking away UT and OU, the B12 put just 2 teams into the CFP. That's why they get the less.

12-9 is "far more"? Also both have had 3 different teams in.

Now if you want to say the SEC has won far more I'll easily agree with that argument
 
so how does a 14 team tournament work?
1 and 2 get a bye.
but then who plays to play them?
or do you go 1-4 byes still and treat 14, 13, 12, 11 as play in teams?
 
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