2022 Season Thread

Illustrious Potentate said:
I generally like the Indy road course, but like last year, it can be a pretty clean race, and then one late caution and it all goes to hell.
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there was zero respect to the idea of racing in that 3rd segment.
Logano went inside 5 wide knowing he was gonna have to run into all of them to stay on the track. Then drove straight into them. He was one of about 20+ doing the same shit.
I love Road course racing but there is to much fuck it attitudes out there in Nascar these days. It was refreshing to see the #8 make a clean pass for the lead :thumb:
 
Schmoopy1000 said:
there was zero respect to the idea of racing in that 3rd segment.
Logano went inside 5 wide knowing he was gonna have to run into all of them to stay on the track. Then drove straight into them. He was one of about 20+ doing the same shit.
I love Road course racing but there is to much fuck it attitudes out there in Nascar these days. It was refreshing to see the #8 make a clean pass for the lead :thumb:
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Like in the truck series a couple weeks ago at a road course, Zane Smith had about 100 chances to move Parker Kligerman for the win, but hi racing clean and finishing second was more impressive than a bump and run for the win would have been IMO. He's gonna be the next young gun to make a big splash in the Cup Series IMO. Kid is a wheel man.

I swear, me getting more and more into F1 is changing my view on racing as a whole.
 
Schmoopy1000 said:
there was zero respect to the idea of racing in that 3rd segment.
Logano went inside 5 wide knowing he was gonna have to run into all of them to stay on the track. Then drove straight into them. He was one of about 20+ doing the same shit.
I love Road course racing but there is to much fuck it attitudes out there in Nascar these days. It was refreshing to see the #8 make a clean pass for the lead :thumb:
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I also love road course racing. Just not when NASCAR does it. There’s MAYBE 10 drivers patient enough and decent enough to do it well. The rest are fkn kamikazi pilots throwing 8 wide Hail Marys and dive bombing every hairpin. It’s lunacy.
 
Y.O.M. said:
I also love road course racing. Just not when NASCAR does it. There’s MAYBE 10 drivers patient enough and decent enough to do it well. The rest are fkn kamikazi pilots throwing 8 wide Hail Marys and dive bombing every hairpin. It’s lunacy.
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I still say it's overall better than I was a kid, in that there's more drivers that can wheel it around a road course if they're not a victim of darts without feathers. When I was a kid, pretty much only Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin, Ricky Rudd, Tony Stewart and Rusty Wallace had any shot of straight up winning a road course race without fuel mileage or something. There's at least twice that now, but it seems the ones that suck at road racing stick out far more than they did back then.

Looking at results, it looks like Dale Sr was a pretty underrated road racer. Only one win, but a strong average finish. RIverside was to him what Pocono was to Mark Martin, one of his best tracks from an average finish stand point, but never able to get a win.
 
Chastain didn't even attempt to make the right on turn 1 on the final restart. He realized he was too deep so he just floored it. The penalty is 100% justified
 
Grant Ward said:
Chastain didn't even attempt to make the right on turn 1 on the final restart. He realized he was too deep so he just floored it. The penalty is 100% justified
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Agreed, but the fact that he continued "racing for the win" as though he DIDN'T completely miss turn 1 was just astounding to me. Honestly just more evidence in the bin of why Ross is so universally hated in the garage. He may be a good wheelman, but my god is he a complete fkn moron. It's like a ball player who can shoot or hit really really well so they get to the Pro level, but their IQ for their sport is rock bottom. That's Ross Chastain. He has horrific racing IQ and that has become so evident. He should have been black flagged immediately after not even attempting the turn there. What happens if he takes out Reddick during their "race for the lead"?? Reddick is shit out of luck, that's what. It's garbage, bush league stuff like this that needs to get cleaned up.
 
It was initially speculated that surely, Larson ran out of brakes and that was the reason he careened out of control and smashed the 42.

It has apparently come to light that is false. Larson had plenty of brakes, he just decided to go full-on video game mode and attempt a move that had zero percent chance of working, but an almost 100% chance of ending in disaster.

More evidence that NASCAR drivers, writ large, have no business having this many road course races on the schedule. They are the "worlds best" at ovals. Stick to ovals. 2 or 3 road course races sprinkled in for schedule diversity and fan entertainment is fine, and I'm good with that. Moreover, the "traditional" road course tracks where NASCAR has commonly raced (Sonoma, Watkins Glen) make sense because the drivers have at least mostly learned those tracks and are demonstrating decent proficiency at them. But for the love of Benny Parsons, enough with the rest of these. Go back to the Indy oval, stay away from COTA, do NOT attempt city street racing, and stop embarrassing the series. Someone is going to get badly hurt.
 
Y.O.M. said:
It was initially speculated that surely, Larson ran out of brakes and that was the reason he careened out of control and smashed the 42.

It has apparently come to light that is false. Larson had plenty of brakes, he just decided to go full-on video game mode and attempt a move that had zero percent chance of working, but an almost 100% chance of ending in disaster.

More evidence that NASCAR drivers, writ large, have no business having this many road course races on the schedule. They are the "worlds best" at ovals. Stick to ovals. 2 or 3 road course races sprinkled in for schedule diversity and fan entertainment is fine, and I'm good with that. Moreover, the "traditional" road course tracks where NASCAR has commonly raced (Sonoma, Watkins Glen) make sense because the drivers have at least mostly learned those tracks and are demonstrating decent proficiency at them. But for the love of Benny Parsons, enough with the rest of these. Go back to the Indy oval, stay away from COTA, do NOT attempt city street racing, and stop embarrassing the series. Someone is going to get badly hurt.
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I’ll take it a step farther even though there’s a zero percent chance of it happening. Go to IRP instead of the Brickyard

But honestly, if that was just a send and not a mechanical failure, Larson should be suspended for a couple races. The fact that it wasn’t intentional makes it worse than what Kyle Busch did to Ron Hornaday or Kenseth to Logano in my eyes
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
I’ll take it a step farther even though there’s a zero percent chance of it happening. Go to IRP instead of the Brickyard

But honestly, if that was just a send and not a mechanical failure, Larson should be suspended for a couple races. The fact that it wasn’t intentional makes it worse than what Kyle Busch did to Ron Hornaday or Kenseth to Logano in my eyes
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I was listening to Dave Moody last night, and it seems Larson's crew even asked him on the radio if he had brakes. He confirmed he did, and it wasn't a brake issue. Telemetry data would tell the true tale, if NASCAR bothered to look deeper. The 42 team should demand it.

Certainly seems he just yeeted himself in there.
 
Y.O.M. said:
It was initially speculated that surely, Larson ran out of brakes and that was the reason he careened out of control and smashed the 42.

It has apparently come to light that is false. Larson had plenty of brakes, he just decided to go full-on video game mode and attempt a move that had zero percent chance of working, but an almost 100% chance of ending in disaster.

More evidence that NASCAR drivers, writ large, have no business having this many road course races on the schedule. They are the "worlds best" at ovals. Stick to ovals. 2 or 3 road course races sprinkled in for schedule diversity and fan entertainment is fine, and I'm good with that. Moreover, the "traditional" road course tracks where NASCAR has commonly raced (Sonoma, Watkins Glen) make sense because the drivers have at least mostly learned those tracks and are demonstrating decent proficiency at them. But for the love of Benny Parsons, enough with the rest of these. Go back to the Indy oval, stay away from COTA, do NOT attempt city street racing, and stop embarrassing the series. Someone is going to get badly hurt.
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They can race road courses. NASCAR has just gotten too lazy about punishing dumbass driving behavior. Every other series in the world penalizes drivers for reckless passing. NASCAR use to do it some with black flag. They don't bother anymore. Now any time there's a road course, you're seeing guys go 3 on up to 5 wide into a turn where there's no fucking chance to complete a clean pass yet there's no penalty. Drop a couple black flags and most of that stuff would get cleaned up real quick
 
wildturkey said:
They can race road courses. NASCAR has just gotten too lazy about punishing dumbass driving behavior. Every other series in the world penalizes drivers for reckless passing. NASCAR use to do it some with black flag. They don't bother anymore. Now any time there's a road course, you're seeing guys go 3 on up to 5 wide into a turn where there's no fucking chance to complete a clean pass yet there's no penalty. Drop a couple black flags and most of that stuff would get cleaned up real quick
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"3 up to 5 wide"??!?

Brah, at Indy this weekend they would fan out 8 wide at the peak of their idiocy going toward turn 1, and all of them knew it didn't have a prayer of working and that they wouldn't all make it out of turn 1 with the nose of their car pointing in the right direction. Did they care? Nope. That's a combination of amateur level impatience, entitlement, lack of road course racing IQ, and just general dickface idiocy. Plus, of course, the knowledge that these cars really aren't built for these road course tracks so there's very minimal passing zone or opportunity. It's just stupid and it doesn't work.

I get it. Some "fans" watch for the demolition derby. They more wrecks, the better. The more drama, the better. I don't watch any racing series for the wreck fests or the drama. It pisses me off, generally. I watch because I love the competition, the skill, the cars, the engineering, and the talent it takes to make these cars go THAT fast, that close to each other, with regular incidental racing contact, etc. Often, the aforementioned is on display and there's a really good racing product on my screen. But the vast majority of these road courses are not that. It's a bunch of poorly trained kamikaze pilots out there going "full send" into situations they KNOW they or someone else won't make it out of. Perfect example is Kyle Larson. There are many many people out there who regard him as the bester on the circuit, and maybe in America. Welp, Kyle Larson is no fkn road course racer, and that was on full display as he decided to go full yeet and go into [turn 1 I think it was] about 30 MPH faster than would have ever worked. The result was two obliterated race cars, and he could have really seriously injured himself or the other driver. It was bush league, dangerous, and embarrassing. This is the NASCAR reigning Champion who completely and entirely ran out of talent and made a conscious decision to "video game mode" a turn.

I'll even take the time right now to list the current, active NASCAR Cup Series drivers who actually have chops and credibility enough to be called at least "decent" road course racers:

Chase Elliott
Kyle Busch
Kevin Harvick
Kurt Busch
Austin Cindric
Ryan Blaney
Martin Truex
Joey Logano (ehhh, but I'm trying here)
Tyler Reddick (iffy, but he showed me something Sunday)
AJ Allmendinger (i'm being generous now because he's not a Cup full timer)

That's 10 drivers. A fkn generous 10. Yet they roll out a starting grid of 38 cars. So 28 drivers who haven't a dagblasted clue how to turn left and navigate the nuance of road course racing are out there dive bombing, fanning out 8 wide, and just looking like absolute fools out there.

This outrageously long winded post is to articulate my point that NASCAR should be doing road course racing LESS, not MORE, and that across the board, the combination of NASCAR drivers and cars are not built for this style of racing, and they're stinking up the show. NASCAR was, and still is, a racing series that is built for ovals. If I want to watch GT3 style road course racing, IMSA does it better, and so does various other series, mostly foreign. I'd even watch F1 or Indy for that road course style fix before I'd advocate for NASCAR to do it more.

There should be 3, MAYBE 4 (TOPS) road course races on the NASCAR schedule. Sure, rotate amongst COTA and the super speedway infields (in addition to the staple Sonoma and Watkins Glen) for some flavor and variety on a year to year basis. Maybe run the standard Brickyard Oval one year, the infield the next, etc (rinse and repeat for Daytona infield...rotate every other year). But to roll out a schedule with 6-8 road course races in a single season featuring cars that weren't engineered to do it and a field of drivers uninterested in actually learning how to do it professionally, that's ridiculously stupid and I'm clearly over it.
 
If I were NASCAR President for a day, my suggestion on year over year road course schedules would be:

Year 1: Sonoma, WG, COTA, Daytona Infield
Year 2: Sonoma, WG, Indy Infield, Roval
Year 3: Sonoma, WG, Daytona Infield, COTA
Year 4: Sonoma, WG, Indy Infield, Roval

Continue rotation. This current slate of "run every road course we possibly can that's available to us in one season" mentality is gimmicky and exposes a glaring weakness of the series' cars and drivers. Most professional level sports try to accentuate their strengths, not their weaknesses.
 
Y.O.M. said:
"3 up to 5 wide"??!?

Brah, at Indy this weekend they would fan out 8 wide at the peak of their idiocy going toward turn 1, and all of them knew it didn't have a prayer of working and that they wouldn't all make it out of turn 1 with the nose of their car pointing in the right direction. Did they care? Nope. That's a combination of amateur level impatience, entitlement, lack of road course racing IQ, and just general dickface idiocy. Plus, of course, the knowledge that these cars really aren't built for these road course tracks so there's very minimal passing zone or opportunity. It's just stupid and it doesn't work.

I get it. Some "fans" watch for the demolition derby. They more wrecks, the better. The more drama, the better. I don't watch any racing series for the wreck fests or the drama. It pisses me off, generally. I watch because I love the competition, the skill, the cars, the engineering, and the talent it takes to make these cars go THAT fast, that close to each other, with regular incidental racing contact, etc. Often, the aforementioned is on display and there's a really good racing product on my screen. But the vast majority of these road courses are not that. It's a bunch of poorly trained kamikaze pilots out there going "full send" into situations they KNOW they or someone else won't make it out of. Perfect example is Kyle Larson. There are many many people out there who regard him as the bester on the circuit, and maybe in America. Welp, Kyle Larson is no fkn road course racer, and that was on full display as he decided to go full yeet and go into [turn 1 I think it was] about 30 MPH faster than would have ever worked. The result was two obliterated race cars, and he could have really seriously injured himself or the other driver. It was bush league, dangerous, and embarrassing. This is the NASCAR reigning Champion who completely and entirely ran out of talent and made a conscious decision to "video game mode" a turn.

I'll even take the time right now to list the current, active NASCAR Cup Series drivers who actually have chops and credibility enough to be called at least "decent" road course racers:

Chase Elliott
Kyle Busch
Kevin Harvick
Kurt Busch
Austin Cindric
Ryan Blaney
Martin Truex
Joey Logano (ehhh, but I'm trying here)
Tyler Reddick (iffy, but he showed me something Sunday)
AJ Allmendinger (i'm being generous now because he's not a Cup full timer)

That's 10 drivers. A fkn generous 10. Yet they roll out a starting grid of 38 cars. So 28 drivers who haven't a dagblasted clue how to turn left and navigate the nuance of road course racing are out there dive bombing, fanning out 8 wide, and just looking like absolute fools out there.

This outrageously long winded post is to articulate my point that NASCAR should be doing road course racing LESS, not MORE, and that across the board, the combination of NASCAR drivers and cars are not built for this style of racing, and they're stinking up the show. NASCAR was, and still is, a racing series that is built for ovals. If I want to watch GT3 style road course racing, IMSA does it better, and so does various other series, mostly foreign. I'd even watch F1 or Indy for that road course style fix before I'd advocate for NASCAR to do it more.

There should be 3, MAYBE 4 (TOPS) road course races on the NASCAR schedule. Sure, rotate amongst COTA and the super speedway infields (in addition to the staple Sonoma and Watkins Glen) for some flavor and variety on a year to year basis. Maybe run the standard Brickyard Oval one year, the infield the next, etc (rinse and repeat for Daytona infield...rotate every other year). But to roll out a schedule with 6-8 road course races in a single season featuring cars that weren't engineered to do it and a field of drivers uninterested in actually learning how to do it professionally, that's ridiculously stupid and I'm clearly over it.
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McDowell and Harvick.
 
Y.O.M. said:
Harvick is on the list. McDowell....ehhhh maybe he's #11.
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Looked past Harvick. My bad. McDowell comes from a road racing back ground, and usually shows well at the road courses other than last year at Indy when he jump the curb and took out half the field
 
That data leak on Larson’s car pretty clearly shows a brake failure. Was hitting brakes, then lost them, instead of going straight and for sure wiping out Stenhouse, he tried to cut to the right and hopefully avoid Dillon, even gassed it up in an attempt to miss Dillon.

So pretty much, there were non approved parts on his car that failed, but NASCAR isn’t gonna punish a Hendrick team, hence the coverup.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
That data leak on Larson’s car pretty clearly shows a brake failure. Was hitting brakes, then lost them, instead of going straight and for sure wiping out Stenhouse, he tried to cut to the right and hopefully avoid Dillon, even gassed it up in an attempt to miss Dillon.

So pretty much, there were non approved parts on his car that failed, but NASCAR isn’t gonna punish a Hendrick team, hence the coverup.
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The situation is so weird. Because he definitely said on the radio post-crash that he had brakes.

Whatever, who knows. Seems to merit a deeper investigation but I agree, this one feels like NASCAR isn't interested in digging.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
That data leak on Larson’s car pretty clearly shows a brake failure. Was hitting brakes, then lost them, instead of going straight and for sure wiping out Stenhouse, he tried to cut to the right and hopefully avoid Dillon, even gassed it up in an attempt to miss Dillon.

So pretty much, there were non approved parts on his car that failed, but NASCAR isn’t gonna punish a Hendrick team, hence the coverup.
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I think they should penalize Elliott 20 Championships points to be safe. (& fair)
 
STAY GREEN!!!!!
 
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