GAME 2023 NFL Draft Thread

[Across The Field]

The ONLY reason we got a 5th round pick is because we are eating the majority of his salary.



Here is the no name guy beating him deep for a "16 yard catch" or 50 yards like I said.

I could go and post an entire list of these deep balls completed on him if you'd like. There are TONS of them -- that's how QB's have a 122 QB rating on him. No one in the Lions secondary was beat deep more than Okudah and that is impressive to say, as the Lions WERE HORRIBLE against the pass.

And the Swift and Okudah situations are NOTHING alike. Swift performed when he was on the field, but couldn't stay healthy. Okudah did not. This isn't a coaching staff wanting "their own guys" -- a lockdown CB is arguably the most important position in the pass happy NFL. We have a former CB as our DC, who is known for getting the most out of his CB's. Yet we still traded him away from nothing. That should tell you how much they thought of Okudah as a player.

Ah I see, yeah that wasn't a great one, but I'll wait for that 50 yard completion to AJ Brown that you "saw".

Also, why is cherry-picking a few passes telling the total story but you ignore when he shut down Devontae Smith, AJ Brown, Justin Jefferson, and excelled against Dallas?

The fact that they traded him for a 5th rounder simply means Atlanta's scouts are better than Detroit's. When he's healthy he's unquestionably a starting-caliber CB, which says a lot given Detroit's piss-poor defensive back coaching during his 3 years there, but now he'll have a chance to get the right coaching.

 

[ill]

Philly could win their division if they didn't even use a starting RB. If Jalen Carter pans out -- their defense is going to be tough.

oh I know...and their RBs are going to be fine (although I will miss Sanders)

but adding Swift for next to nothing is ok by me. Thanks for the dumb drafting, Detroit.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

If all goes well, same. Gotta win the division.

I think if we don't win the division this year -- we are truly cursed. I can't wait to see the new look defense and how they plan to use Gibbs.

With Gibbs, Amon Ra and Jameson Williams -- our offense is going to be unreal. I could add LaPorta, but I have to see him play more before I speak on him.

 

[Across The Field]

You truly think Detroit didn't call the entire league to see what they could get for Okudah? Come on. You are smarter than that. On top of that -- Detroit had to pay 1/3 of his salary to facilitate the deal.

I think his injury history played a much, much bigger part to that as opposed to his skillset. Also, each time you mention Detroit's FO and their part in this, it just makes them sound worse. Even if he only plays in 10-12 games this year, it's still more likely he will be more valuable than the average 5th rounder.

 

[Handicappers]

“I’m gonna put on my cobbler outfit and have other men do my man chores, so obviously I’m an expert on draft success, no matter what the experts tell me”

ill-derpia

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Ah I see, yeah that wasn't a great one, but I'll wait for that 50 yard completion to AJ Brown that you "saw".

Also, why is cherry-picking a few passes telling the total story but you ignore when he shut down Devontae Smith, AJ Brown, Justin Jefferson, and excelled against Dallas?

The fact that they traded him for a 5th rounder simply means Atlanta's scouts are better than Detroit's. When he's healthy he's unquestionably a starting-caliber CB, which says a lot given Detroit's piss-poor defensive back coaching during his 3 years there, but now he'll have a chance to get the right coaching.

HE GAVE UP A 122 QB RATING ON PASSES THAT COME HIS WAY FOR HIS CAREER. And I'm not cherry picking anything. I could give you a full list of deep balls Okudah gave up. Want me to make you a montage? You don't have a QB rating like that against you without giving up a ton of plays and as I said -- I get the luck of watching the Lions every week and not hand picking articles.

I think you are taking this as a knock against OSU, and it has zero to do with OSU. Decker and Jonah Jackson have been great for us. Okudah has been terrible. And I'm not saying he hasn't had games where he played good, but he had WAAAAAAY more where he looked lost and he cannot cover guys deep in man coverage.

 

[RobBase]

“I’m gonna put on my cobbler outfit and have other men do my man chores, so obviously I’m an expert on draft success, no matter what the experts tell me”

ill-derpia

Went from making fun of draft fans to watching the draft and posting about it nonstop, real fast.

That’s a small step up from paying other men to lift heavy objects for him.

 

[ill]

Went from making fun of draft fans to watching the draft and posting about it nonstop, real fast.

That’s a small step up from paying other men to lift heavy objects for him.

most of my "posting nonstop" is still just making fun of you and you being a draft nerd

and a bad one at that

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I think his injury history played a much, much bigger part to that as opposed to his skillset. Also, each time you mention Detroit's FO and their part in this, it just makes them sound worse. Even if he only plays in 10-12 games this year, it's still more likely he will be more valuable than the average 5th rounder.

No chance we were going to pick up his 5th year option and with the additions of Cam Sutton, Moselely and CGJ, as well as drafting Brian Branch -- Okudah wasn't going to see the field this year.

Sutton gave up a passer rating of 70 and allowed completions on less than 50% of the balls thrown his way. Moselely gave up a passer rating of 71 and allowed completions on less than 45% of balls thrown his way.

And the injuries for Swift played a big role in draft his replacement -- his play was great when he was healthy, which is why we were able to get a 4th for him, even though RB isn't a position teams usually give up draft capital for.

Okudah's PLAY is why sent him off. If he had ever played like a lock down CB -- Detroit would not have paid 1.5 million dollars so he could go play for someone else.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

oh I know...and their RBs are going to be fine (although I will miss Sanders)

but adding Swift for next to nothing is ok by me. Thanks for the dumb drafting, Detroit.

a 4th round pick for a RB on his final year of his contract is far from nothing. Detroit is lucky to have gotten that for him. Swift will help you forget about Sanders though. If he can stay healthy -- he is a very good player. He just isn't a guy who you can give the ball to 15-20+ times a game. He is a guy you can give it to 8-10 times and then sent him out on passing downs. That is where he is most dangerous.

 

[ill]

so would you Detroit fans rather have Swift or Gibbs next year? I know it is hard to tell how Gibbs will do next season right now...

but is the unknown from Gibbs better than the known you got from Swift?

it just seems like a wasted pick on something you already had...

 

[Across The Field]

HE GAVE UP A 122 QB RATING ON PASSES THAT COME HIS WAY FOR HIS CAREER. And I'm not cherry picking anything. I could give you a full list of deep balls Okudah gave up. Want me to make you a montage? You don't have a QB rating like that against you without giving up a ton of plays and as I said -- I get the luck of watching the Lions every week and not hand picking articles.

I think you are taking this as a knock against OSU, and it has zero to do with OSU. Decker and Jonah Jackson have been great for us. Okudah has been terrible. And I'm not saying he hasn't had games where he played good, but he had WAAAAAAY more where he looked lost and he cannot cover guys deep in man coverage.

I'm not defending his entire career. His first year under Patricia he dealt with horrific coaching and scheme placement, and it was a disaster. Putting him in an off-man based scheme was just one of the many idiotic things Patricia did and that's why he likely won't ever sniff a HC job again. His second year was a wash. His 3rd year was obviously exponentially better than his first season as a whole, as he only allowed an 87 QB rating (which you ignore).

I know this has zero to do with OSU, we've had plenty of pros that have sucked and I have no defense for those dudes sucking. Last year was almost like a career restart for Okudah, and honestly the best thing for him is a change of scenery. If he's healthy, I think he's going to thrive in Atlanta now that he has some actual pro-level talent around him and not everything falls on his shoulders.

 

[Across The Field]

No chance we were going to pick up his 5th year option and with the additions of Cam Sutton, Moselely and CGJ, as well as drafting Brian Branch -- Okudah wasn't going to see the field this year.

Sutton gave up a passer rating of 70 and allowed completions on less than 50% of the balls thrown his way. Moselely gave up a passer rating of 71 and allowed completions on less than 45% of balls thrown his way.

And the injuries for Swift played a big role in draft his replacement -- his play was great when he was healthy, which is why we were able to get a 4th for him, even though RB isn't a position teams usually give up draft capital for.

Okudah's PLAY is why sent him off. If he had ever played like a lock down CB -- Detroit would not have paid 1.5 million dollars so he could go play for someone else.

I know you weren't going to pick it up, I wouldn't either. Saying he wasn't going to see the field is pretty ignorant. First off, that's assuming you have 0 injuries to your CBs, which is nearly impossible. Second off, he obviously showed plenty of signs of life last year that having him at least as depth would've made a lot of sense. We'll see how the defensive backfield looks next year, but I do know last year you guys had two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders in your defensive backfield and coached them up to be one of the worst in the NFL. Unless you think the coaches were awesome and all the players just sucked.

 

[RobBase]

I know you weren't going to pick it up, I wouldn't either. Saying he wasn't going to see the field is pretty ignorant. First off, that's assuming you have 0 injuries to your CBs, which is nearly impossible. Second off, he obviously showed plenty of signs of life last year that having him at least as depth would've made a lot of sense. We'll see how the defensive backfield looks next year, but I do know last year you guys had two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders in your defensive backfield and coached them up to be one of the worst in the NFL. Unless you think the coaches were awesome and all the players just sucked.

Okudah was great — at tackling his own players and getting benched.

Swift is awesome if you like your RB standing on the sideline and getting single digit carries all season because his body is already broken down.

 

[Across The Field]

Okudah was great — at tackling his own players and getting benched.

Swift is awesome if you like your RB standing on the sideline and getting single digit carries all season because his body is already broken down.

Whatever you say. If he goes to Atlanta and stays healthy and sucks while Detroit's defense becomes a no-fly zone, let me know.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm not defending his entire career. His first year under Patricia he dealt with horrific coaching and scheme placement, and it was a disaster. Putting him in an off-man based scheme was just one of the many idiotic things Patricia did and that's why he likely won't ever sniff a HC job again. His second year was a wash. His 3rd year was obviously exponentially better than his first season as a whole, as he only allowed an 87 QB rating (which you ignore).

I know this has zero to do with OSU, we've had plenty of pros that have sucked and I have no defense for those dudes sucking. Last year was almost like a career restart for Okudah, and honestly the best thing for him is a change of scenery. If he's healthy, I think he's going to thrive in Atlanta now that he has some actual pro-level talent around him and not everything falls on his shoulders.

Everything falls on his shoulders? He was never asked to shadow a 1 all over the field. He simply couldn't stop the guy he was lined up against. All you are doing is making excuses for the guy, when I can give you a long list of deep balls completed against him on what was supposed to be his strength as a man corner.

His defensive coordinator last year is considered one of the best CB coaches in the NFL, Aaron Glenn. He is an expert at catering his defenses to the strengths of the players. Even with that -- Okudah struggled immensely. When you get replaced in the starting lineup by an undrafted FA, who is released by the team at the end of the year -- you aren't doing your job very well.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Whatever you say. If he goes to Atlanta and stays healthy and sucks while Detroit's defense becomes a no-fly zone, let me know.

I'd be willing to wager ALOT of money -- Detroit's secondary will be light years better than they have been in any year where Okudah played for Detroit.

Cam Sutton is an ENORMOUS upgrade over Okudah. So is Moselely. When you add in CGJ and Brian Branch at the nickel/safety, to go along with Kerby Joseph and Tracy Walker -- the secondary will be one of the strongest parts of the Lions team next year.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I know you weren't going to pick it up, I wouldn't either. Saying he wasn't going to see the field is pretty ignorant. First off, that's assuming you have 0 injuries to your CBs, which is nearly impossible. Second off, he obviously showed plenty of signs of life last year that having him at least as depth would've made a lot of sense. We'll see how the defensive backfield looks next year, but I do know last year you guys had two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders in your defensive backfield and coached them up to be one of the worst in the NFL. Unless you think the coaches were awesome and all the players just sucked.

Who are these draft picks you are talking about? Okudah was our only 1st round pick. Amani Oruiwayne was a 5th round pick. Ifeatu Melifanu was a compensatory 3rd round pick, which is essentially a 4th round pick, as he was 102 to Detroit. DeShaun Elliott was a 6th round pick for Baltimore. Or are you trying to pass off Mike Hughes as a "firsr rounder" who was a back up for us and is now on his 4th team since being drafted 5 years ago.

We signed Cam Sutton from Pitt, Moselely from SF and CGJ from Philly. Tracy Walker is coming back from injury, we have Kerby Joseph as well. Detroit finally has some actual talent in the secondary.

 

[Across The Field]

Everything falls on his shoulders? He was never asked to shadow a 1 all over the field. He simply couldn't stop the guy he was lined up against. All you are doing is making excuses for the guy, when I can give you a long list of deep balls completed against him on what was supposed to be his strength as a man corner.

His defensive coordinator last year is considered one of the best CB coaches in the NFL, Aaron Glenn. He is an expert at catering his defenses to the strengths of the players. Even with that -- Okudah struggled immensely. When you get replaced in the starting lineup by an undrafted FA, who is released by the team at the end of the year -- you aren't doing your job very well.

So, again, this was when he had a concussion. Not sure why you keep leaving that out as if it made no impact. Plenty of sports writers from different publications have said he played well before then but for some reason your opinion as a casual sports fan somehow trumps that.

 

[Across The Field]

I'd be willing to wager ALOT of money -- Detroit's secondary will be light years better than they have been in any year where Okudah played for Detroit.

Cam Sutton is an ENORMOUS upgrade over Okudah. So is Moselely. When you add in CGJ and Brian Branch at the nickel/safety, to go along with Kerby Joseph and Tracy Walker -- the secondary will be one of the strongest parts of the Lions team next year.

Mosely and Sutton are solid players. ENORMOUS upgrades? Not so sure. They're coming from two teams that routinely have elite defenses year in/year out regardless of players. Let's see how they play in Detroit now, a team that hasn't had a legitimately good defense for as long as I can recall. I remember thinking Cleveland's secondary was gonna be stacked with they signed John Johnson and Troy Hill, who were beasts before going to Cleveland, and both ended up being cut before their contracts were up.