CFP v DEC3

osubuckeye89 said:
Conference championship game only matters for the 2 lesser P4. They have made that clear.
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:dingdingding:

It sure appears that way. SMU and Boise would be better off not risking a loss in the ccg. Question is, would the committee still have ranked them where they currently are if their seasons had finished at 11-1 and sitting at home like Notre Dame and all the other 12 game only teams? I doubt it.
 
dhoey said:
Alabama lost a team with 68 yards passing.
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That was on the road. Should still count for two losses though. More of a shot at Cryin Day than anything positive to say about Bama
 
Y'all just wait until the national title is UNLV vs. Indiana or something like that. Wonder what "data points" the committee will change by the first meeting next season.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think you read or understood my post if you think I was going all SEC (although I am an admitted SEC honk ... I've never denied that).

Nowhere in my post was I comparing Bama to tOSU. You are seeded 6th, they are 11th for the very reason you point out in your post. Congrats.

Now, if we can get back to my post, the point was that bubble teams all have a reason they were a bubble team, so they get no sympathy. It just so happens that Bama was the tallest of the bubble midgets and may get in. It's not really a hard concept to understand.
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The argument is which team is tallest. Your CLAIM isn’t evidence
 
Collegefbfan said:
Y'all just wait until the national title is UNLV vs. Indiana or something like that. Wonder what "data points" the committee will change by the first meeting next season.
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I would love it. I can see either winning a game. Just can't see a long run out of them.
 
Collegefbfan said:
Y'all just wait until the national title is UNLV vs. Indiana or something like that. Wonder what "data points" the committee will change by the first meeting next season.
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World War 3 will happen before we get a UNLV vs. Indiana final
 
Iowa State SMU AD "stay off my lawn"

Damn @78Cyclones !

SMU doesn't have a win over a currently ranked CFP team. Guess what? Neither does Iowa State.

SMU dodged #2 Miami, #3 Clemson, and four way tied for #3 Ga Tech/Syracuse in ACC play.

Iowa State avoided four way tied for #1 Arizona State/BYU/Colorado, and against the three way tie for #3 Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech won one (Baylor) lost one (Texas Tech) and didn't play TCU.

If the ISU AD wants to blame anything, blame huge conferences.
 
ELTEXAN said:
The argument is which team is tallest. Your CLAIM isn’t evidence
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Here is the exact post to which you were responding. I never said who of the bubble teams was the tallest. You may be arguing that with others, but I never said that. As I stated, if Miami had been in front of Bama, I would have put Bama on that list and explained why they had no reason to gripe. You seem to be arguing with yourself, but keep me out of it.

In order to preserve OOC, I think they are going to have to mix things up. Think about how ATM and Clemson were behind the 8 ball all season long because of OOC losses early. I said this a bunch of times here - if Clemson had played GaSouthern instead of UGA to start the season, they would have been ranked about 5th before the USCjr game. Two of their 3 losses were OOC. Why would they continue to schedule tough OOC?

So, I think what will happen is that everyone will agree to go to 14 games in 2 years. There will be AQs for each conference - 3 for SEC and B1G, 2 for the ACC and B12, 1 for the G5. That leaves 3 at-large. Then each conference can determine their champion and representatives. Then Clemson and SMU would be lined up for the 2 AQs for the ACC, ASU and ISU for the B12, Texas, UGA, and UTjr for the SEC, and UO, tOSU, and PSU for the B1G. ND would get an at large, Bama would get an at-large, and then the 3rd would to Miami based on the standings this year.

The point is that if the conferences determine their representatives based on the conference schedules, you wouldn't be hurt playing OOC.

If they don't go that route, they have to do an RPI/Quad win-based evaluation where schedule matters. Face it, the conferences are different and the level of play is different. That simply has to be taken into account. In some cases, some teams played much tougher schedules, while others had very easy schedules. That has to be considered.

We'll see what happens in the future, but this year very few teams have a gripe, and we can make a reasoned argument why they were left out:

- USCjr - you can't lose 3 games, and 2 of those can't be to teams ahead of you.
- Miami - you have to play a better schedule. That will be the conferences making that happen.
- Ole Miss - don't lose to 2 crappy teams, and 1 mid team (even though UF was pretty good at that point in the season)
 
osubuckeye89 said:
They really need to do away with conference championship games at this point. Too much $$$ involved and people are too stuck in the mind set that we must have them though
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I actually think the conferences will be open to it in the future, but they will have to go to at least 16 teams and then the money made from having 4 more teams will have to go to the conferences to make up what they lose from the conference championships.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I actually think the conferences will be open to it in the future, but they will have to go to at least 16 teams and then the money made from having 4 more teams will have to go to the conferences to make up what they lose from the conference championships.
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No conference title games, take the top 2 in each P4 and then have the final 8 decided by some BCS type formula.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
No conference title games, take the top 2 in each P4 and then have the final 8 decided by some BCS type formula.
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I think it will be more like this:

B1G/SEC - 3AQs
ACC/B12 - 2 AQs
G5 - 1AQ
At-large - 5

Final at-large and seeding based on a BCS type formula that emphasizes SOS/RPI/Quadrants like hoops.

No way the P2 will agree to even AQs ... they already insisted on substantially more money. The other conferences admitted the P2 was better/more profitable when they agreed to that. They will be glad to get there 2 AQs.

If we applied that to this year:

UO, PSU, tOSU
Texas, UGA, Utjr
Clemson, SMU
ASU, ISU
BSU or UNLV

At-large pool
ND
IU
Bama
Miami
Ole Miss
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USCjr
BSU if they lose
BYU
Mizzou
Illinois

SEC - 5
B1G - 4
ACC - 3
B12 - 2
Indy - 1
G5 - 1
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I think it will be more like this:

B1G/SEC - 3AQs
ACC/B12 - 2 AQs
G5 - 1AQ
At-large - 5

Final at-large and seeding based on a BCS type formula that emphasizes SOS/RPI/Quadrants like hoops.

No way the P2 will agree to even AQs ... they already insisted on substantially more money. The other conferences admitted the P2 was better/more profitable when they agreed to that. They will be glad to get there 2 AQs.

If we applied that to this year:

UO, PSU, tOSU
Texas, UGA, Utjr
Clemson, SMU
ASU, ISU
BSU or UNLV

At-large pool
ND
IU
Bama
Miami
Ole Miss
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USCjr
BSU if they lose
BYU
Mizzou
Illinois

SEC - 5
B1G - 4
ACC - 3
B12 - 2
Indy - 1
G5 - 1
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Do you think the ACC & Big 12 are really gonna agree to less AQs? Do they really have no say in that? lol
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Do you think the ACC & Big 12 are really gonna agree to less AQs? Do they really have no say in that? lol
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Kenan Thompson Yes GIF by Paramount+
 
osubuckeye89 said:
We will see how that holds up lol. In the end they are gonna do whatever they want come actual selection time.
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Bingo, that’s why I call all but the final rankings “practice” lol.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Do you think the ACC & Big 12 are really gonna agree to less AQs? Do they really have no say in that? lol
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I think after next season when this final ncaa settlement is announced everything changes again. The sec and big are going to use tv ratings to demand 4 spots each. They will get it.
 
SoonerC said:
I think after next season when this final ncaa settlement is announced everything changes again. The sec and big are going to use tv ratings to demand 4 spots each. They will get it.
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I think FBS is gonna skip 16 and go right to 24 when the expansion happens again. It SHOULD stay there forever though, 24 is already ridiculous.
 
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