Do FSU & Clemson Have A Landing Spot?

[ralphiewvu]

I don’t see an advantage for “raiding” in either direction. Both just need to maximize what they can and live with it.

I love a conference race where all teams are close. Parity may eliminate the chance of another team in the CFP but so what. There will be more rotating of the top teams and doormats. Less perpetual top teams and bottom teams imo. Who’d of thought Utah and Okie Lite would be the bottom feeders this past season?

The benefit of raiding is be the clear #3 conference. I guess the hope is the P2 don’t leave them behind then. But it’ll be a bit now and ether conference will need the network(s) blessing or ask members to take pay cuts. Dont see that last part happening.

 

[Thiefery]

i like the new Pac conference.. they all have schools with the name State in it lol..

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The benefit of raiding is be the clear #3 conference. I guess the hope is the P2 don’t leave them behind then. But it’ll be a bit now and ether conference will need the network(s) blessing or ask members to take pay cuts. Dont see that last part happening.

The ACC has more potential, IMO. With Miami, FSU, and Clemson, they have about 10 NCs there. 2 recent, and one good FSU team recently. The B12 doesn't have that.

FSU and Clemson finally got their heads out of their asses and decided to work within the conference. ND showed that teams that go far get a lot of money, which is over and above what the conference gets. In the SEC that money goes to the conference. FSU and Clemson should negotiate some of that directly to them ... conference gets $1 million, the schools that actually get to the CFP and advance should get $3 million. Something like that.

The plan shouldn't just be to incentivize those teams, but to tell the other fuckers in the conference to get their asses in gear ... figure out a way to get their viewership up ... it's rediculous to see UNC 2nd to last in the ACC.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The ACC has more potential, IMO. With Miami, FSU, and Clemson, they have about 10 NCs there. 2 recent, and one good FSU team recently. The B12 doesn't have that.

FSU and Clemson finally got their heads out of their asses and decided to work within the conference. ND showed that teams that go far get a lot of money, which is over and above what the conference gets. In the SEC that money goes to the conference. FSU and Clemson should negotiate some of that directly to them ... conference gets $1 million, the schools that actually get to the CFP and advance should get $3 million. Something like that.

The plan shouldn't just be to incentivize those teams, but to tell the other fuckers in the conference to get their asses in gear ... figure out a way to get their viewership up ... it's rediculous to see UNC 2nd to last in the ACC.

Absolutely the ACC has more potential as it stands now. However the ACC also holds a couple programs that could eventually land in the P2 with the networks blessing. The B12 really doesn’t have that anymore. That’s when I could see one of the mid 2 taking from the other. Which way probably depends on who leaves the ACC.

FSU and Clemson are working with the conference imo because they pretty much need to now. The problem is no matter what kind of uneven revenue sharing they try and come up with, it’s never going to be close to what the SEC/B1G payout. Having that gap for years and years scares the shit outta them falling behind. Thats why they went the ways they did against the conference.

UNC 2nd to last was ridiculous indeed.

 

[Wild Turkey]

The highlighted sentences are in direct contradiction to one another. If you follow the money, it means NO on UNC. They were terrible this year - you have to scroll way down. UNC would have had the worst TV Viewership in the SEC, but far. Worse than Vandy.

Ranking the most-watched college football programs in 2024​

The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week for a 12-week season.
Streaming numbers are included if available. Games with no available data are counted as zero.

1. Georgia — 5.97M
2. Alabama — 5.44M
3. Ohio State — 5.16M
4. Texas — 4.63M
5. Michigan — 4.01M
6. Florida — 3.639M
7. Tennessee — 3.598M
8. LSU — 3.58M
9. Colorado — 3.55M
10. Texas A&M — 3.37M
11. Oklahoma — 2.80M
12. Notre Dame* — 2.51M
13. Nebraska — 2.469M
14. Oregon — 2.466M
15. Penn State — 2.457M
16. Southern Cal* — 2.408M
17. Mississippi — 2.407M
18. Miami FL — 2.24M
19. Auburn — 2.16M
20. South Carolina — 1.91M
21. Georgia Tech — 1.89M
22. Iowa — 1.85M
23. Indiana — 1.78M
24. Clemson — 1.70M
25. Florida State — 1.64M
26. Arkansas — 1.59M
27. Wisconsin — 1.54M
28. Kentucky — 1.48M
29. UCLA — 1.41M
30. Kansas State — 1.38M
31. Illinois — 1.273M
32. Washington — 1.267M
33. Navy — 1.25M
34. Army — 1.224M
35. Kansas — 1.223M
36. Utah — 1.19M
37. BYU — 1.15M
38. Oklahoma State — 1.09M
39. Missouri — 961K
40. Purdue — 880K
41. Iowa State — 857K
42. Michigan State — 846K
43. Mississippi State — 799K
44. West Virginia — 796K
45. Minnesota — 795K
46. Arizona — 773K
47. Baylor — 767K
48. Louisville — 734K
49. UCF — 733K
50. TCU — 705K
51. Rutgers — 636K
52. Oregon State — 609K
53. Texas Tech — 606.5K
54. Virginia Tech — 605.8K
55. Boston College — 582K
56. Arizona State — 580K
57. NC State — 557K
58. Pittsburgh — 497K
59. Northwestern — 494K
60. Colorado State — 482K
61. Stanford — 478K
62. Syracuse — 452K
63. Houston — 443K
64. Northern Illinois — 441.3K
65. Vanderbilt — 423K
66. Boise State — 422K
67. Cincinnati — 413K
68. South Florida — 390K
69. Marshall — 389.7K
70. Washington State — 389.4K
71. Maryland — 386K
72. California — 366K
73. Duke — 359K
74. SMU — 341K
75. North Carolina — 328K
76. Akron — 324K
77. Tulane — 323K
78. Fresno State — 307K

So the statement is NOT contradictory because there are two very different situations.

1. One is a buyout of a current GOR which is absurdly cost prohibitive.

2. The second is would the teams be worth the money to P2 to add.

Completely different situations. There is no argument that ND moves the needle no matter the scenario. While UNC on paper doesn’t make sense initially I can guarantee with a high probability percentage that both the B1G and SEC would be highly interested.

Honestly I just can’t be anymore right than I am on this issue and you couldn’t be more wrong.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

So the statement is NOT contradictory because there are two very different situations.

1. One is a buyout of a current GOR which is absurdly cost prohibitive.

2. The second is would the teams be worth the money to P2 to add.

Completely different situations. There is no argument that ND moves the needle no matter the scenario. While UNC on paper doesn’t make sense initially I can guarantee with a high probability percentage that both the B1G and SEC would be highly interested.

Honestly I just can’t be anymore right than I am on this issue and you couldn’t be more wrong.

I can hear the discussion now ...

- let's bring in UNC now

- why?

- well, because

- I mean they will have worse TV numbers than Vandy ... sorry Vandy, I know you are sitting over there.

- But, because.

- If we do this, we all have to lose a few million dollars.

- Well, because.

- I mean, in the last two decades they have one season with only 3 losses, the rest of the time 4 or more losses. I mean that's almost as bad as Vandy ... sorry Vandy, I know you are sitting over there.

- Well, they do have good Olympic sports.

- I mean, we don't really have most of the Olympic sports they play ... we don't have field hockey, or lacrosse, or soccer. And, those cost money and don't make money.

- Well, because.

- Hey, this is Vandy siting over here, I am not willing to take a pay cut to bring a team that is as bad at football as we are, is currently worse in hoops than 2/3 of our schools, will require that we take a pay cut, is really good at sports that we don't have in the SEC, will require that we take a pay cut, has arrogant disinterested fans, and will require that we take a pay cut. Look, we already have a Vandy ... we don't need another one.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I can hear the discussion now ...

- let's bring in UNC now

- why?

- well, because

- I mean they will have worse TV numbers than Vandy ... sorry Vandy, I know you are sitting over there.

- But, because.

- If we do this, we all have to lose a few million dollars.

- Well, because.

- I mean, in the last two decades they have one season with only 3 losses, the rest of the time 4 or more losses. I mean that's almost as bad as Vandy ... sorry Vandy, I know you are sitting over there.

- Well, they do have good Olympic sports.

- I mean, we don't really have most of the Olympic sports they play ... we don't have field hockey, or lacrosse, or soccer. And, those cost money and don't make money.

- Well, because.

- Hey, this is Vandy siting over here, I am not willing to take a pay cut to bring a team that is as bad at football as we are, is currently worse in hoops than 2/3 of our schools, will require that we take a pay cut, is really good at sports that we don't have in the SEC, will require that we take a pay cut, has arrogant disinterested fans, and will require that we take a pay cut. Look, we already have a Vandy ... we don't need another one.

In summary: I'm right and you are wrong.

 

[Collegefbfan]

This makes me think of something that happened when the ACC brought in Miami and Virginia Tech. I had purchased one of those pre-season publications. Yeah, you know what I am talking about. The ones that know everything. And this publication, like many of the others, ranked the conferences. Just bringing in Miami and Virginia Tech boosted the ACC conference to #1 in the pre-season conference rankings. You know it was supposed to be Florida State vs. Miami every year for the ACC championship. By the way, did that ever happen? Well, that season unfolded, and the ACC wasn't anywhere near the best conference. So now, we are going from that kind of thinking back then to seeing if Florida State and Clemson have a landing spot. Damn, the ACC has fallen. Clemson won some CFP championships, that was coming up on six years ago. Is anyone on that team now that were on those champs teams then?

 

[Thiefery]

This makes me think of something that happened when the ACC brought in Miami and Virginia Tech. I had purchased one of those pre-season publications. Yeah, you know what I am talking about. The ones that know everything. And this publication, like many of the others, ranked the conferences. Just bringing in Miami and Virginia Tech boosted the ACC conference to #1 in the pre-season conference rankings. You know it was supposed to be Florida State vs. Miami every year for the ACC championship. By the way, did that ever happen? Well, that season unfolded, and the ACC wasn't anywhere near the best conference. So now, we are going from that kind of thinking back then to seeing if Florida State and Clemson have a landing spot. Damn, the ACC has fallen. Clemson won some CFP championships, that was coming up on six years ago. Is anyone on that team now that were on those champs teams then?

i mean Miami seemed like they were one of the best programs at the time.. VaTech was up there too

SEC had yet to hit the propaganda machine button..

 

[RubinRock]

Basically this looks like it keeps the ACC alive for another 5 years with the expectation that Clemson and FSU will be jumping ship then. In the meantime, this gives Jim Philips time to find some replacements or rework some deals.

Sources: FSU, Clemson, ACC expected to settle

FSU and Clemson will vote Tuesday on an agreement that would ultimately result in the settlement of lawsuits between the schools and the ACC, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[Wild Turkey]

Basically this looks like it keeps the ACC alive for another 5 years with the expectation that Clemson and FSU will be jumping ship then. In the meantime, this gives Jim Philips time to find some replacements or rework some deals.

Sources: FSU, Clemson, ACC expected to settle

FSU and Clemson will vote Tuesday on an agreement that would ultimately result in the settlement of lawsuits between the schools and the ACC, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

If either school were to jump right now I'm not sure there is a landing spot for either but especially FSU. The only two spots that improve their current situation are the SEC or B1G and neither is in a hurry to expand again.

Both conferences have had what could only be construed as negative comments about the way FSU has handled themselves. To be completely honest the FSU fanbase is a lot to handle not quite the equivalent of Oregon but a cousin in the same family for sure.

I honestly do not think Sankey wants anything to do with them at this point.

Now package Clemson with UNC and the SEC takes a hard look but UNC would be the target.

 

[TaikoTiger]

If either school were to jump right now I'm not sure there is a landing spot for either but especially FSU. The only two spots that improve their current situation are the SEC or B1G and neither is in a hurry to expand again.

Both conferences have had what could only be construed as negative comments about the way FSU has handled themselves. To be completely honest the FSU fanbase is a lot to handle not quite the equivalent of Oregon but a cousin in the same family for sure.

I honestly do not think Sankey wants anything to do with them at this point.

Now package Clemson with UNC and the SEC takes a hard look but UNC would be the target.

No they would not get in now but I don't think that's what their intentions are. I believe FSU/Clemson are just trying to put themselves in a position to get in on the next round of TV deals for the P2. It's a W for them if they can break away from the ACC with minimum buyout by 2030. It's an added bonus if they can also negotiate for an uneven distribution and playoff money to hold them til then

 

[Wild Turkey]

No they would not get in now but I don't think that's what their intentions are. I believe FSU/Clemson are just trying to put themselves in a position to get in on the next round of TV deals for the P2. It's a W for them if they can break away from the ACC with minimum buyout by 2030. It's an added bonus if they can also negotiate for an uneven distribution and playoff money to hold them til then

The problem is I don't think 5 years is going to make much of a difference in regards to the attractiveness of FSU as both the SEC and B1G are going to be very leary of a school that got the lawyers involved and have mega-overreaching boosters. Neither conference needs them and cons will very much outweigh the pros.

So for Clemson to have a shot at one of the P2s you will have to package yourself with someone else and the only school the SEC would be interested in is UNC and I think a UNC/Clemson package gets greenlighted but nothing short of that is going to move the needle because the bigger the league the tougher it is to schedule. The SEC is struggling to absorb Texas & Oklahoma and keep rivalries in tack. In basketball, you only play 3 schools home and home and the SEC basketball has a double bye because of the number of schools.

It will take a lot for either P2 to pull the trigger again and it will only be for schools that can justify 100mm in additional revenue.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The problem is I don't think 5 years is going to make much of a difference in regards to the attractiveness of FSU as both the SEC and B1G are going to be very leary of a school that got the lawyers involved and have mega-overreaching boosters. Neither conference needs them and cons will very much outweigh the pros.

So for Clemson to have a shot at one of the P2s you will have to package yourself with someone else and the only school the SEC would be interested in is UNC and I think a UNC/Clemson package gets greenlighted but nothing short of that is going to move the needle because the bigger the league the tougher it is to schedule. The SEC is struggling to absorb Texas & Oklahoma and keep rivalries in tack. In basketball, you only play 3 schools home and home and the SEC basketball has a double bye because of the number of schools.

It will take a lot for either P2 to pull the trigger again and it will only be for schools that can justify 100mm in additional revenue.

I could see the B1G only pulling the trigger to expand if ND is involved. At that point (if ND is forced to join) the B1G likely grabs Stanford to go with and stop at 20. I’m sure it’s possible for the B1G to grab UNC/FSU but I don’t see ether wanting the B1G as their first choice. And Clemson’s only chance of a P2 membership is the SEC and like you said paired with UNC. They have ZERO SHOT of getting a B1G invite.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I could see the B1G only pulling the trigger to expand if ND is involved. At that point (if ND is forced to join) the B1G likely grabs Stanford to go with and stop at 20. I’m sure it’s possible for the B1G to grab UNC/FSU but I don’t see ether wanting the B1G as their first choice. And Clemson’s only chance of a P2 membership is the SEC and like you said paired with UNC. They have ZERO SHOT of getting a B1G invite.

Both P2s pull the trigger for ND. My bet is one will offer them an ACC type deal except they would be excluded from conference championships and tournaments. They could fill their schedules and get other types of support but their non-football sports have to make a go as independents as well.

 

[TaikoTiger]

The problem is I don't think 5 years is going to make much of a difference in regards to the attractiveness of FSU as both the SEC and B1G are going to be very leary of a school that got the lawyers involved and have mega-overreaching boosters. Neither conference needs them and cons will very much outweigh the pros.

So for Clemson to have a shot at one of the P2s you will have to package yourself with someone else and the only school the SEC would be interested in is UNC and I think a UNC/Clemson package gets greenlighted but nothing short of that is going to move the needle because the bigger the league the tougher it is to schedule. The SEC is struggling to absorb Texas & Oklahoma and keep rivalries in tack. In basketball, you only play 3 schools home and home and the SEC basketball has a double bye because of the number of schools.

It will take a lot for either P2 to pull the trigger again and it will only be for schools that can justify 100mm in additional revenue.

Maybe but a lot can(will) change in college sports over the next 5 years, so I wouldn't place any bets either way.

At the end of the day, FOX & E$PN will be deciding who they want in their conferences and greed always trumps petty cons like:
- Conference scheduling
- Bad acting schools in prev conferences
- Not meeting academic criteria
- Travel
- etc

 

[TaikoTiger]

So much to having an "Ironclad" GOR

 

[Wild Turkey]

Maybe but a lot can(will) change in college sports over the next 5 years, so I wouldn't place any bets either way.

At the end of the day, FOX & E$PN will be deciding who they want in their conferences and greed always trumps petty cons like:
- Conference scheduling
- Bad acting schools in prev conferences
- Not meeting academic criteria
- Travel
- etc

FOX and ESPN are not going to dictate to the B1G or the SEC who should be in their conference; that just isn't going to happen. They can and will help facilitate the inclusion of teams per the conference's request, but the conferences have to request it.

Second the slate of games from the P2 is getting pretty numerous so its getting tougher to find spots for them so I'm pretty sure FOX and ESPN are pretty happy where things are to the point ESPN really doesn't want to pay the SEC for a 9th conference game because it would be a scheduling problem for them and very little value.

I don't see things changing that much in the next 5 years in regards to the P2. It will take 5 years for them to figure out their scheduling conflicts as it is.

 

[ericd7633]

No. I said they would be out by the 2026 football season. Still do.

 

[RubinRock]

Yeah this pretty much says that GOR wasn’t as strong as some people thought