Is college football in danger of losing popularity

This is just a really weird season for cfb. Seasons starting on different weeks..



Haven't seen an update for this last weekend but this season is only getting decent traction with bama and a few other teams. Anything Big 12 is way down versus last year.
 
From what I’ve gathered, Notre Dame is among the most popular college football programs in New England. The lack of good history for the local football programs might be a reason why.

Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan has just as big of followings as any of the southern schools
yeah, i know penn state. my buddies wife is from there as is her friends/family, all diehards. never attended.
 
We are the measuring stick of all college football.

Don't believe me? Just pay attention to how often Auburn comes up in the conversation and is used to measure other teams. Be sure it's a burden but we've learned to bear it.

What that measuring stick is telling you is that you suck.
no Auburn is not. I have never heard anyone use Auburn as any kind of measuring stick.
if Auburn is then how do you figure Oregon sucks? loss in the National Championship game by 3 on the last play of the game.
loss by 6 in the first game with 9 seconds left.
neither of these things suggest 1 team being far superior
 
you understand regional fandom but only if its pro? but not College? how is that hard to understand?
well, getting back to how i didnt contradict myself...yes, pro. one is strictly a business that hires adults as 'employees' (i.e players). one is a school, full of kids, that doesnt.
 
no Auburn is not. I have never heard anyone use Auburn as any kind of measuring stick.
if Auburn is then how do you figure Oregon sucks? loss in the National Championship game by 3 on the last play of the game.
loss by 6 in the first game with 9 seconds left.
neither of these things suggest 1 team being far superior
Just pay attention and you'll see.
 
i never understood college football fans, and probably because of where i live....

but not every clemson fan, actually went to clemson, or has ties to the school. just an example, but most probably didnt get out of the 8th grade. but theyre diehard, bleed colors, fans.

i dont get it. how can you be a fan of a school you have no ties to other than regional? im a holy cross fan because my mother taught there and i grew up in the city (and i played basketball with many HC players). im a fan of williams college because i went there (i.e "the biggest little game in America") and played for a year.

ps im not trying to be ignorant, im trying to understand.
I was a Clemson fan long before I understood what a University was. I went to my first game when I was 7 or 8. I was raised to be Clemson. Anyway, maybe this will help (or maybe it won’t). I blacked out names, of course.

And yes, my mama is long winded.

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well, getting back to how i didnt contradict myself...yes, pro. one is strictly a business that hires adults as 'employees' (i.e players). one is a school, full of kids, that doesnt.
Why does it make a difference in regional fandom?
 
And when it comes to the south, keep in mind there were no pro sports in the south until the 60’s. College ball was all there was, despite a large percentage of the pro athletes being from the south.

So the old timers latched on to a college team and that was passed down.
 
So how does a program like Minnesota whose dominance spanned AT LEAST 8 entire decades. Natties won in 5 of those decades by 3 different coaches, Conf Titles won in 7 of the 8, and multiple players from 7 of those 8 decades are enshrined in the Cfb Hall of Fame, and former Gophers kicking tail in pro football spans across EVERY decade for the last 13 decades, from the very first Pro fb player in history, Pudge Heffelfinger whose statue greets everyone visiting the Pro Football Hall of Fame at the entrance, to Tony Dungy becoming the first ever Black coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl Title just over a decade ago. In between, Pudge's time at Minnesota and becoming the first ever pro fb player in history, and Dungy's historic Super Bowl win, a UMner invented Cheerleading, then Pudge, as an asst to Head Coach Henry L Williams helped Williams develop the 4 man backfield which contributed to UMn's undefeated team stopping Michigan's Point a minute squad, tying the eventual Natl Champs in 1903. Bobby Marshall became the first black player to play in the B1G Conf. Williams was one of the first to propose the forward pass and one of the first to utilize it successfully in the teens. In 1920 former Gopher Bobby Marshall became the first ever black fb player to play in the NFL. Former Gopher Gil Dobie was establishing the long held cfb record unbeaten streak that was so long, it spanned THREE different coaching gigs, including his entire career at the University of Washington. This is a record that may never be matched. In the 20s Bronko Nagurski was so good he was named to the All-American team at 3 different positions, 2 in the same year even. And this was legit, as the DEFENSIVE Cfb POY Award is named after him, yet he was inducted into the Pro Fb Hall of Fame as an offensive player as a Fullback and was so good a famous movie scene was all about how Nagurski came out of retirement to help his old team win the Championship again in 1943. Former Gophers were coached so well by Henry Williams that they even shared Natl Titles as coaches as they did in 1940 when both Bernie Bierman coaching the Gophers went undefeated and were named Natl Champs and Clark Shaughnessy coaching Stanford went undefeated and were also named Natl Champs. So good were former Gophers at coaching, that Tulane University hired 3 straight former Gophers to coach them and for 3-4 decades Tulane was actually a blue blood. And at least one of the Natl Titles Bierman won at Minnesota was called the Henry L Williams Trophy, as it was renamed that after Minnesota won the Knute Rockne Trophy 3 times in a row. Had Bierman won the Title in 1942, it would have been retired and renamed after him possibly? But instead, Bierman's dominance at Minnesota was so dominating that it literally took the US Govt choosing to get involved in WW2 to end UMn's dominance as they were picked to win the Natl Title again, in 1942, which would have been their 6th Title in 9 years, but instead Bierman was taken away and placed as the coach of the Iowa Seahawks military training team, and over half of the Gopher's players were scooped away for military service several who ended up playing AGAINST the Gophers, including Unanimous All-American Bill Daley who finished 7th in the Heisman voting in 1943. But the kick in the nuts was when it was the Iowa Seahawks coached by Bernie Bierman himself and with a roster that included several former Gophers, were the team that ended UMn's winning streak. So it was Notre Dame who eventually retired the Henry L Williams trophy and got it renamed. After the war and after Bernie Bierman had to try to rebuild the program basically from scratch with players who, Bud Grant admitted to later on, didn't respond well to Bierman's coaching style because of their wartime experiences. They were probably good enough to win another Title in 1949 but the bad attitudes of the players, Bud Grant himself admitted, cost the team their 2 losses. So after Bierman who was already very old, retired, and UMn had missed out on the opportunity to hire either former Gophers Biggie Munn or Bud Wilkinson who combined dominated the late 1940s and early 1950s cfb scene, the UMn admin went with an outsider, and his failing to make an immediate impact got them seriously considering giving up on football all together, but then Warmath came out of nowhere, partly due to his being one of the first to bring in lots of black players, unusual in the 50s, and won the Natl Title in 1960 and continued doing well throughout the 60s. UMn's influence on the game of football in the 50s and into the 60s was SO WIDE, that former Gophers were taking turns coaching their teams to the CFL Grey Cup Championship game, and former Gophers were taking turns coaching their cfb teams to Natl Titles, all while UMn was doing fairly good as well. In 1962, Wisc, coached by a former Gopher, finished #2, Oklahoma, coached by a former Gopher finished #8, UMn finished #10, and Mizzou, coached by a former UMn-Duluth player, who was coached by a former Gopher, finished #12 in the nation all while Bud Grant's team was winning the Grey Cup Title. Biggie Munn stepped away from the sideline to lead MSU into the B1G conf as their Athletic Director, Bud Wilkinson retired soon after the 62 season and went into politics and being a game announcer/commentator and a very good one I've read, Devine moved on to Notre Dame and a Natl Title and infamy in how he was portrayed in the movie Rudy, Bud Grant went on into a Pro Hall of Fame career as an NFL coach, and Murray Warmath retired soon after winning a share of the Big Ten title in 1967 and unfortunately not getting his name in the cfb Hall of Fame where it probably deserves to be. Warmath's players went on to dominate in the NFL in the late 1960s and well into the 1970s and even a few into the 1980s. Bierman's former players continued coaching as late as into the 80s, as well as at least one of Warmath's players although most of his ended up playing in the NFL, not coaching. And Bierman's and that one Warmath player's impact on the game lasted into the 21st Century as both Tony Dungy and multiple CFL Title winning Coach Marc Trestman played for Cal Stoll while he was coaching Minnesota and beating #1 ranked Michigan in 77. And among Joe Salem's assistant coaches were Mike Martz and Mike Shanahan.

Now I'm sure I missed a bunch. The B1G conf didn't allow B1G teams to play in bowl games for most of UMn's peak years, so they weren't able to build up a ton of bowl game wins like some programs, yet since they became supposedly "irrelevant", they still were able to play in Bowl games in each of the last 6 decades, and have gotten to a bowl game in 15 of the 20 years of the 21st Century, so far, winning 7 of them, including their last 4.

Did I mention that UMn has had players end up the high pt scorer in the entire NFL 10 times by 4 different players in 4 different decades?

Did I mention that UMn has had players end up as NFL All-Decade players 10 times in 6 different decades, more than any other school that I am aware of, as I checked after the 2000s all-Decade team, not after the 2010s team came out.

Looking at the teams on that list,
UMn has SIX Recognized Titles & 4-6 Poll Era Titles(34 AP & 35 UPI polls make it 6 for UMn), and UMn has a

1-0 record vs Bama,
1-0 record vs Clemson. Clemson has just 3 Poll Era Titles, and 3 Recognized Titles.
1-0 record vs Auburn. Auburn has just 2 Poll Era Titles, and 3 Recognized Titles.
1-0 record vs Texas. UT has just 5 Poll Era Titles and 4 Recognized Titles.
1-0 record vs Ark. Ark has just 1 recognized Title
1-0 record vs GT. GT has just 1 Poll Era Title and 4 Recognized Titles
33-25-2 rcrd vs Nebraska
10-7 record vs Washington
9-3 record vs Pitt. Pitt has just 2 Poll Era Titles.
2-1 record vs UCLA. UCLA has just 1 Poll Era Title & only 1 Recognized Title.
62-49-2 rcrd vs Iowa. Iowa has ZERO Poll Era Titles, but 1 Recognized Title.
1-1-1 rcrd vs Stanford. Stanford has ZERO Poll Era Titles, but 1 Recognized Title.

That's 12 of the 30 teams on that list. UMn's cumulative record vs those 12 blue bloods & potential blue bloods is

123-86-5

61-37-3 not including Iowa.

We never played Geo, LSU, Flor, A&M, FSU, Miami, VT or WVU.

That brings it to TWENTY. 20 of the 30 teams on that list either never played the Gophers or do NOT have a winning record vs the Gophers. Of the teams on that list, who have not played Minnesota, lets compare # of Titles

UMn = 6 Recognized Titles. 4/6 Poll Era Titles.
LSU = 5 Recognized Titles. 4 Poll Era Titles.
Mia = 5 Recognized Titles. 5 Poll Era Titles.
Flor = 3 Recognized Titles. 3 Poll Era Titles.
FSU = 3 Recognized Titles. 3 Poll Era Titles.
VTch = 0 Recognized Titles. 0 Poll Era Titles.
WVU = 0 Recognized Titles. 0 Poll Era Titles.

Michigan, just for those who are interested? Just TWO poll Era Titles. Pitt also has only 2 Poll Era Titles.
Col, Geo, GT, A&M, UCLA all only have 1 Poll Era Title.

Of the 10 remaining teams, Tennessee has just a 0-1 record vs UMn, and just 2 Poll Era Titles & only 4 Recognized Titles.
PSU has just a 6-9 advantage over Minnesota in head to head, & PSU has just 2 Poll Era Titles & only 4 Recognized Titles.

OSU & Mich have massive advantages over the Gophers, as does Notre Dame and USC.

That leaves Oklahoma, of the 8 legit Blue Bloods, with a decent advantage over the Gophers, but I must remind you all, it was a former Gopher that made Oklahoma into what they are, Bud Wilkinson led them to their first three Titles.
wayyyyy too long to read. Does it end the way the Uni-bomber's manifesto did?
 
And giants fans here werent from NY either.
so im still not understanding why its easy for you to assume or comprehend Oregon native being a portland trail blazer fan even thought throughout my life i never lived closer than 100 miles from Portland but not for an Oregon native to be a fan of the university of Oregon even if they didnt attend it but was born in a hospital 2 min from campus
 
Agreed and the issue with Saban is people will beat him like LSU did last year but they won't continually beat him. It is like they come and go while Saban continues to keep his teams in the conversation.

Alabama also has a fairly good SEC School. They typically play a big-name OOC game, then get 2 OOC cupcakes before playing Arkansas (who has generally not been good), Ole Miss, and usually a weaker SEC East opponent. They then get Tennessee who has been terrible followed by LSU, Miss State, A&M, Cupcake OOC game, and Auburn.

Alabama doesn't play its tougher games until November when they have a more developed team and they really don't play a tough back-to-back series.

Compare that with Tennessee who usually does the following: Cupcake OOC game, Big Name OOC game, Cupcake OOC game, Florida, Georgia, SEC West opponent, Alabama, South Carolina, Cupcake OOC game, Missouri, Kentucky, Vandy.

Tennessee has played Florida, Georgia, and Alabama back-to-back-to-back some years. It is typically a front-loaded and challenging schedule.

Auburn and LSU also, typically, have tougher games on their schedule than Alabama. Georgia typically gets a tricky week 2 matchup with South Carolina.

Overall, Alabama generally has a more favorable schedule compared to most SEC schools the way it lines up. (Granted if Tennessee was good, this schedule would not look as easy. So we are partly to blame for Alabama's soft schedules).

High as Giraffe pussy again I see.

The only reason Alabama has a favorable schedule is because unlike every other SEC West team, we don't have to play Alabama. That's it, period.

Then you pretend that shit like Florida, Georgia, Alabama back to back to back has ever happened to Tennessee when everyone knows that is bullshit. At worst, you've played 3 of them in 5 weeks.

You lost me on your brilliant November logic....if we have a more developed team, wouldn't our opponents also have a more developed team, or is this some magic that only works for Alabama?

The only reason Auburn and LSU have tougher SEC schedules is because their permanent crossover opponent hasn't been hot garbage for a decade.
 
so im still not understanding why its easy for you to assume or comprehend Oregon native being a portland trail blazer fan even thought throughout my life i never lived closer than 100 miles from Portland but not for an Oregon native to be a fan of the university of Oregon even if they didnt attend it but was born in a hospital 2 min from campus
NYC is 4-5 hrs away from here too
 
i never understood college football fans, and probably because of where i live....

but not every clemson fan, actually went to clemson, or has ties to the school. just an example, but most probably didnt get out of the 8th grade. but theyre diehard, bleed colors, fans.

i dont get it. how can you be a fan of a school you have no ties to other than regional? im a holy cross fan because my mother taught there and i grew up in the city (and i played basketball with many HC players). im a fan of williams college because i went there (i.e "the biggest little game in America") and played for a year.

ps im not trying to be ignorant, im trying to understand.
By this logic, how can anyone be a “fan” to a pro if there’s no way to be affiliated?

2nd. You almost have no choice but to choose someone in SC (you can probably say the same about other states around here). Try going anywhere without seeing an Clem or USC banner. CFB is just different down here, hard to explain unless you’re from here.
 
By this logic, how can anyone be a “fan” to a pro if there’s no way to be affiliated?

2nd. You almost have no choice but to choose someone in SC (you can probably say the same about other states around here). Try going anywhere without seeing an Clem or USC banner. CFB is just different down here, hard to explain unless you’re from here.
You never said 'first'.

And I get it. It's 100% because of where I'm from and live.
 
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