Let's Talk About This 12 Team Playoff Deal...

OlyDuck said:
the quarter and semis will be the 6 the National Championship game has already been bid out and i would assume those contracts dont change.
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NC game is bid out to highest bidder.
 
Goldbug said:
OK, so you're fine with losing too many of our traditional rivalry games. I'm not. Most people aren't. But it's a great improvement in your opinion. Tradition is so yesterday in today's world for a lot of people.
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Not at all, I am a traditionalist. Are you conflating conference expansion and CFP expansion?

Expanding the CFP is going to result in the SEC having a way more exciting regular season schedule. For example, in the old SEC schedule we would play OU once every 6 years. It might be 12 years after you come into the conference that you would come to Athens. Do you want that? Under the new SEC schedule, you will come to Athens once every 4 years, and you will play UGA every other year. That sounds way better to me.

Losing Bedlam is a conference expansion issue, not a CFP expansion issue. And, you could still play that game if you wanted to. See, UF/FSU, UGA/Nerds, Ky/Lousiville, and USCjr/Clemson.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Not at all, I am a traditionalist. Are you conflating conference expansion and CFP expansion?

Expanding the CFP is going to result in the SEC having a way more exciting regular season schedule. For example, in the old SEC schedule we would play OU once every 6 years. It might be 12 years after you come into the conference that you would come to Athens. Do you want that? Under the new SEC schedule, you will come to Athens once every 4 years, and you will play UGA every other year. That sounds way better to me.

Losing Bedlam is a conference expansion issue, not a CFP expansion issue. And, you could still play that game if you wanted to. See, UF/FSU, UGA/Nerds, Ky/Lousiville, and USCjr/Clemson.
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We would play it if Jr. had wanted to keep the series alive. But they pulled their typical aggie choke and decided it was "too hard" to change their out of conference schedule to keep the game. Sniff, sniff. When Gundy's gone they will fall back in the pack again and pine for the good old days.

OU's so not ready for the SEC it's laughable. But we're still excited to be going to the SEC and playing great teams on the road and in Norman. Muleshoe completely blew our last game against Georgia by electing not to go for a short first down in overtime with three 1st team All-Americans and the Heisman Trophy winner on offense. LMAO And then our kicker missed the short field goal letting you guys pound the final nail into our coffin. It was a great game and you deserved the win coming from behind like that. An OU team like that can compete in the SEC. A team like we have now is weak sauce. Pray for us.......we're gonna need it if we only get back up to a 3-4 loss team next year in the Dysfunctional XII.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
To expand on this though. It won't ruin the regular season but there are going to be A LOT of blowouts in the 12 team playoff.

Most games in the 4 team playoff have been blowouts thatll just expand to the 12 team field.
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im not sure if there will be.
look at the conference games between teams that would fall into those teams among the ranked.
we saw Alabama Tennessee close.
UGA Tenn less than 2 scores
USC utah close
TCU kansas state close
Penn State Ohio State less than 2 scores
Michigan blew out Penn State and Ohio state.

then figure while yes the play offs have been blowouts some of the other games around them havent been
last years 6 Ohio State vs 11 utah in the Rose close
6 notre Dame vs 9 Oklahoma State close
7 Baylor vs 8 ole miss 21-7 not a blowout 14 point diff and 14 of them came in the 4th
10 Michigan State vs 12 Pitt 31-21 not a blowout.
 
OlyDuck said:
im not sure if there will be.
look at the conference games between teams that would fall into those teams among the ranked.
we saw Alabama Tennessee close.
UGA Tenn less than 2 scores
USC utah close
TCU kansas state close
Penn State Ohio State less than 2 scores
Michigan blew out Penn State and Ohio state.

then figure while yes the play offs have been blowouts some of the other games around them havent been
last years 6 Ohio State vs 11 utah in the Rose close
6 notre Dame vs 9 Oklahoma State close
7 Baylor vs 8 ole miss 21-7 not a blowout 14 point diff and 14 of them came in the 4th
10 Michigan State vs 12 Pitt 31-21 not a blowout.
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^^^ You have to factor in the opt outs in those non playoff games though. There wont be opt outs for the 12 teams in the 12 team playoff (at least youd think)

Ohio State and Utah were both basically playing with MASH units due to opt outs and injuries.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
^^^ You have to factor in the opt outs in those non playoff games though. There wont be opt outs for the 12 teams in the 12 team playoff (at least youd think)

Ohio State and Utah were both basically playing with MASH units due to opt outs and injuries.
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fair point
 
Goldbug said:
We would play it if Jr. had wanted to keep the series alive. But they pulled their typical aggie choke and decided it was "too hard" to change their out of conference schedule to keep the game. Sniff, sniff. When Gundy's gone they will fall back in the pack again and pine for the good old days.

OU's so not ready for the SEC it's laughable. But we're still excited to be going to the SEC and playing great teams on the road and in Norman. Muleshoe completely blew our last game against Georgia by electing not to go for a short first down in overtime with three 1st team All-Americans and the Heisman Trophy winner on offense. LMAO And then our kicker missed the short field goal letting you guys pound the final nail into our coffin. It was a great game and you deserved the win coming from behind like that. An OU team like that can compete in the SEC. A team like we have now is weak sauce. Pray for us.......we're gonna need it if we only get back up to a 3-4 loss team next year in the Dysfunctional XII.
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My guess is they will come around once they get over their hurt feelings.

I think you will be fine once you settle on a coach ... the one you have or another.

FWIW, we blocked that field goal, so you can't blame the kicker. That was one of the most exciting games I have ever seen. Hate that there had to be a loser.

I am a traditionalist, and that means I love having you guys and UT coming in ... two storied programs that I followed as a kid. Can't wait for my first trips to Norman and Austin.

Keep in mind that there won't be undefeated SEC champs any more ... playing 9 IC games against those teams will make that highly unlikely.
 
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Bama always gets the easiest path.
 
Deep Creek said:
I just don't get it. If FCS players can handle a 24 team playoff and DIII players can handle a 32 team playoff, why can't G5 players handle a 12 team one? And here is something to gnaw on...........
They had some games in the first round that weren't close and it didn't stop the playoffs one damn bit.
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if G5 goes 4 team with the highest ranked getting a current playoff bid it makes it easy enough to just say other 4 champions in (like i did using last year)
if you go 12 you have teams that are not ranked and would essentially need another committee to rank and seed them.

are we using same criteria? 4 champs get bye

1. 12-1 Louisiana vs 8. 10-2 BYU vs 9. 10-2 Coastal Carolina
2. 12-1 UTSA vs 7. 10-3 App State runner up vs 10. 9-3 Air Force
3. 10-3 Utah State vs 6. 11-2 Houston runner up vs 11. 9-3 Fresno State
4. 9-4 Northern Illinois vs 5. 11-2 San Diego State vs 12. 8-5 WKU (over other 8 win teams due to division champ)

San Diego State at 5 a division champ and having beat 2 P5 teams.
Houston and App State at 6 and 7 as division champs
BYU at 8 off the strength of beating 6 P5 schools and a win over Utah State (MWC Champs). but as an indi i didnt put them ahead of 11 win teams or App with the same W total but App has the division thing.

other considerations
8-4 Army
8-4 Central michigan
8-4 UCF
8-4 Nevada
8-4 UAB
only listed as teams with same W total as a team in.
7-6 Kent State runner up
considered due to being a division champion.
 
OlyDuck said:
if G5 goes 4 team with the highest ranked getting a current playoff bid it makes it easy enough to just say other 4 champions in (like i did using last year)
if you go 12 you have teams that are not ranked and would essentially need another committee to rank and seed them.

are we using same criteria? 4 champs get bye

1. 12-1 Louisiana vs 8. 10-2 BYU vs 9. 10-2 Coastal Carolina
2. 12-1 UTSA vs 7. 10-3 App State runner up vs 10. 9-3 Air Force
3. 10-3 Utah State vs 6. 11-2 Houston runner up vs 11. 9-3 Fresno State
4. 9-4 Northern Illinois vs 5. 11-2 San Diego State vs 12. 8-5 WKU (over other 8 win teams due to division champ)

San Diego State at 5 a division champ and having beat 2 P5 teams.
Houston and App State at 6 and 7 as division champs
BYU at 8 off the strength of beating 6 P5 schools and a win over Utah State (MWC Champs). but as an indi i didnt put them ahead of 11 win teams or App with the same W total but App has the division thing.

other considerations
8-4 Army
8-4 Central michigan
8-4 UCF
8-4 Nevada
8-4 UAB
only listed as teams with same W total as a team in.
7-6 Kent State runner up
considered due to being a division champion.
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Again, if FCS and DIII can select 24 and 32 teams, why not G5?
 
Deep Creek said:
Again, if FCS and DIII can select 24 and 32 teams, why not G5?
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my point is hardly anyone watches these. i woulndt know where to find them on tv if they even are on. i think i catch 1 or 2 FCS games a year. FCS 24 teams DII is 28 DIII 32
 
As far as blowouts go, it has happened in the BCS era with Miami/Nebraska, Southern Cal/Oklahoma, whoever played Notre Dame, Florida/Ohio State, and pretty sure I am forgetting others. In the CFP era, Oregon/Florida State, Alabama/Michigan State, Clemson/Oklahoma, Clemson/Ohio State, Alabama/Washington, LSU/Oklahoma, etc.

I think the 12 team playoff will give us some good/great first round games. And hell, if there are blowouts in the first round or the natty, or whatever, we can't blame the 12 team playoff because blowouts have already happened.
 
Collegefbfan said:
As far as blowouts go, it has happened in the BCS era with Miami/Nebraska, Southern Cal/Oklahoma, whoever played Notre Dame, Florida/Ohio State, and pretty sure I am forgetting others. In the CFP era, Oregon/Florida State, Alabama/Michigan State, Clemson/Oklahoma, Clemson/Ohio State, Alabama/Washington, LSU/Oklahoma, etc.

I think the 12 team playoff will give us some good/great first round games. And hell, if there are blowouts in the first round or the natty, or whatever, we can't blame the 12 team playoff because blowouts have already happened.
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There will also be upsets in the first round … at first I thought 8 was the perfect number, but I am liking 12 better. P5 Champions should get the Bye (one left out), and seeded #5 - that could mean LSU, Utah, North Carolina, Purdue and Kansas State as the top 5 seeds. Win your conference or shut up and say “Thank You”.
 
Only downfall of the 12 team playoff -- it removes all the drama of the late season games and rivarly games. Take OSU/UM this year. Does it suck to lose to your rival? Absolutely, but if they had a 12 team playoff -- OSU would be sitting back waiting to play their CFP game, so it means little they lost.

Part of the allure of the big time rivalry matchups is the opportunity to end the season of your rival. That will be no more.
 
Deep Creek said:
I just don't get it. If FCS players can handle a 24 team playoff and DIII players can handle a 32 team playoff, why can't G5 players handle a 12 team one? And here is something to gnaw on...........
They had some games in the first round that weren't close and it didn't stop the playoffs one damn bit.
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How many regular season d3 or fcs games do you watch, dunce?
 
OlyDuck said:
my point is hardly anyone watches these. i woulndt know where to find them on tv if they even are on. i think i catch 1 or 2 FCS games a year. FCS 24 teams DII is 28 DIII 32
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That was the main point I made earlier. CFB nerds like all of us would watch. We watch even bad P5 vs P5 games. But I doubt a G5 playoff of any kind would draw enough eyeballs for the networks to pay anywhere near what the G5s are getting now from the CFP.
 
Deep Creek said:
That was the main point I made earlier. CFB nerds like all of us would watch. We watch even bad P5 vs P5 games. But I doubt a G5 playoff of any kind would draw enough eyeballs for the networks to pay anywhere near what the G5s are getting now from the CFP.
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right that was my point. G5 4 teams 3 games and im sure they would get a solid payout. but any more and its probably costing more to put on than what they realistically would get
 
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