More Michigan Cheating

Across The Field said:
Breaking news: coaches talk to each other. This has been happening for decades. It's one thing to be doing something everyone in your conference is doing. It's another to do what michigan was doing with Stalions. Apples and oranges, amigo.
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"talk" lol. You mean, gathered information in person, wrote it down and then sent it to a future opponent of that team?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Also, the "how did stallions fund this??!?!?!?!?!?!" outrage -- turns out to be more hilarious than imagined


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A vacuum cleaner side hustle.
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Jeff rules.
 
Across The Field said:
Yes. this is what I was talking about earlier. Who the fuck even is this guy??
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The guy is a legend. A vacuum hustling, ex marine, west point grad, so obsessed with a football team of a university he didn't attend that he stood around the facility and away games long enough for them to give him a job, in which he hired a network of spies to collect information and personally dressed up in disguise, somehow got sideline passes and scouted games in person personally.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan hired no one, Stallions hired people. And the NCAA doesn't set the requirement that money has to be exchanged. It's simply "working with". IE, if another team gives you that information it collected in person, you are most defiantly breaking the intent of the rule.
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Not true. Michigan hired Stallions which is why they're responsible for any potential violations that occurred because of his "advanced scouting" or sign stealing scheme.
 
ellupo said:
Breaking the rules is cheating. You try to convince yourself if you need help sleeping at night.
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I can’t imagine that decoding signs from a future opponent (who is giving those signs in front of 50,000 + fans) is that serious of a crime. It appears to be very easy to defend. Kinda like jaywalking … jaywalking might be a crime in some places, but you probably should not get jail time for it. Almost 3,000 replies for such a minor offense (if it is an offense).
 
duckboy33 said:
Not true. Michigan hired Stallions which is why they're responsible for any potential violations that occurred because of his "advanced scouting" or sign stealing scheme.
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Michigan hired stallions. Michigan didn't hire the people he was having do this. HE personally hired them. Certainly an important distinction here.

I'm not sure how that's any different, other than the exchange of money, than having prior opponents collect your information in person and send them to your future opponents. That's functionally identical outcomes.
 
duckboy33 said:
Not true. Michigan hired Stallions which is why they're responsible for any potential violations that occurred because of his "advanced scouting" or sign stealing scheme.
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Vicarious liability, and yes Michigan would be liable. Damages for teams to dumb to have a fluid set of signs, and a billion dollar industry that can’t use electronic communications should be minimal.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan hired stallions. Michigan didn't hire the people he was having do this. HE personally hired them. Certainly an important distinction here.

I'm not sure how that's any different, other than the exchange of money, than having prior opponents collect your information in person and send them to your future opponents. That's functionally identical outcomes.
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Not really. He was working as a member of the University of Michigan's football program.
 
duckboy33 said:
Not really. He was working as a member of the University of Michigan's football program.
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And when another team has someone collecting information and sending it to them, that's (by NCAA rule) working for that team. The NCAA defines that beyond just paying someone. Either having a 3rd party collect and send this information is illegal - or it isn't.
 
Voltaire said:
I can’t imagine that decoding signs from a future opponent (who is giving those signs in front of 50,000 + fans) is that serious of a crime. It appears to be very easy to defend. Kinda like jaywalking … jaywalking might be a crime in some places, but you probably should not get jail time for it. Almost 3,000 replies for such a minor offense (if it is an offense).
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This is all highly entertaining. You should join in. There are so many fans with their panties in a bunch, hoping and praying for a suspension or ban from something.

Going to be fun when little to nothing comes from it and there is a huge uproar.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
And when another team has someone collecting information and sending it to them, that's (by NCAA rule) working for that team. The NCAA defines that beyond just paying someone. Either having a 3rd party collect and send this information is illegal - or it isn't.
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If there's evidence that other teams have violated rules, they should be appropriately punished too.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Pipe down cheater. When you admit your own program cheated for DECADES -- your words hold no meaning. Saying - "everyone was doing it" when everyone wasn't paying players, doesn't mean you paid a penalty. CHEATER!!!

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Back to the kiddies table for you. Let the adults here talk about current cheating, not things that happened in the 80s.

And, again, I've admitted that my team has cheated in the past ... you should try it ... the truth will set you free.

Now, back to the kiddies table and let the adults talk.
 
duckboy33 said:
Not really. He was working as a member of the University of Michigan's football program.
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Yep and anyone that he hired/convinced/cajoled into filming signals for him was acting as his, and by extension - UM's, agent. This idea that "it wasn't him doing it means UM is off the hook" ignores the idea of agency.
 
duckboy33 said:
Not trying to join this pissing match. But...if you hire people to do scouting for your team, they are definitely associated with the team.
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We've spent 149 pages and 2,976 posts telling maze&blew that obvious thing.

There is documented proof that a Michigan staffer was paying up to 65 associates to scout "in-person" and use recording devices to steal the sideline signals of "future (in-season) opponents".

The goal of Michigan and MGoBlue is to distract from that with unnamed "sources" saying "eVeRyBoDy DoEs iT", yet fail to provide proof that it was done "in-person", of a "future (in-season) opponent", and that "electronic recording devices" were used.

You can be sure that the redacted Michigan signal sheets provided to the media were provided by Michigan themselves in attempt to change the narrative.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Back to the kiddies table for you. Let the adults here talk about current cheating, not things that happened in the 80s.

And, again, I've admitted that my team has cheated in the past ... you should try it ... the truth will set you free.

Now, back to the kiddies table and let the adults talk.
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Whatever you say Cheater.

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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"talk" lol. You mean, gathered information in person, wrote it down and then sent it to a future opponent of that team?
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LOL you mean coaches all talking to other coaches, a recognized practice that's gone on for decades and isn't even a "loophole" that you seem to be celebrating that only michigan was doing?
 
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