More Michigan Cheating

[fishinabarrel]

You've been told this for 40 pages now.

This is a dude that once argued with me for like a week that bc a teams chances to win their out on their schedule were say, 10%, it somehow affected their chances of winning the fifth game when they've already won the first four.

Even tried to equate it to flipping a coin, saying if you were flipping it 10 times the odds of it landing heads every time was 1/1024 but that doesn't effect the 9th flip at all. It's still 1/2. He refused to give in. It was actually kind of incredible

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You know these are just starting ... more to come, I am sure:

 

[Across The Field]

You know these are just starting ... more to come, I am sure:

As it's been pointed out, sign stealing isn't illegal. However, it's very, very obvious that their ability to know EXACTLY what was happening is inexcusable. It's very obvious there was a major competitive advantage acquired by doing what they did. This could get really, really ugly.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

As it's been pointed out, sign stealing isn't illegal. However, it's very, very obvious that their ability to know EXACTLY what was happening is inexcusable. It's very obvious there was a major competitive advantage acquired by doing what they did. This could get really, really ugly.

Have perused the UM boards, it's not much different than what we are seeing here. The most illogical part of the defense is this:

- Stallion is stuck to the side of the DC and OC, every game. That's not something that a $50K per year recruiting staff member does. My son's best friend has such a role at Bama. While he is on the field during the games, he is never right up front. Satan knows who he is and hired him, as do the coordinators. But standing beside them all game, feeding info they use to then call plays - not a fucking chance. The only people doing that are highly respected or informed people who typically have a coaching role. Even analysts don't have that type of game-day role or access.

- If there was someone doing that who no one knew at some point Harbaugh or the coordinators would say who the hell is this guy that's just hanging around? They ain't doing that. Denying they even know who he is is nuts.

- A common refrain is that this is a guy who was a super fan who just showed up at away games and met the team, etc. The idea a guy like that could go from a super fan to basically feeding play-by-play info to both coordinators (that is also odd - normal analysts are on one side of the ball) is absurd.

- That all the players around them jump up and down and make certain signals to their teammates means this has been practiced and rehearsed. They don't have the guys feeding signals just show up on Saturday and hope they get it right. It is well rehearsed and practiced. They aren't doing that without Stallion being involved. So, you telling me this guy they have around the building during the week is someone they don't know?

- Finally, the laminated card is a dead give-away. You don't do that unless you know you have their signals. It takes away the "we figured it out during the game" defense. I'd bet you won't find them in the game against TCU that they failed to do this type of advanced scouting on.

 

[Bayou Tiger]

 

[osubuckeye89]

Have perused the UM boards, it's not much different than what we are seeing here. The most illogical part of the defense is this:

- Stallion is stuck to the side of the DC and OC, every game. That's not something that a $50K per year recruiting staff member does. My son's best friend has such a role at Bama. While he is on the field during the games, he is never right up front. Satan knows who he is and hired him, as do the coordinators. But standing beside them all game, feeding info they use to then call plays - not a fucking chance. The only people doing that are highly respected or informed people who typically have a coaching role. Even analysts don't have that type of game-day role or access.

- If there was someone doing that who no one knew at some point Harbaugh or the coordinators would say who the hell is this guy that's just hanging around? They ain't doing that. Denying they even know who he is is nuts.

- A common refrain is that this is a guy who was a super fan who just showed up at away games and met the team, etc. The idea a guy like that could go from a super fan to basically feeding play-by-play info to both coordinators (that is also odd - normal analysts are on one side of the ball) is absurd.

- That all the players around them jump up and down and make certain signals to their teammates means this has been practiced and rehearsed. They don't have the guys feeding signals just show up on Saturday and hope they get it right. It is well rehearsed and practiced. They aren't doing that without Stallion being involved. So, you telling me this guy they have around the building during the week is someone they don't know?

- Finally, the laminated card is a dead give-away. You don't do that unless you know you have their signals. It takes away the "we figured it out during the game" defense. I'd bet you won't find them in the game against TCU that they failed to do this type of advanced scouting on.

Lol I can't get over them wanting us to believe that the real coaches just randomly started to take advice constantly from some low level dude.

"Excuse me Mr Harbaugh you should run this play now" "I'm not sure who you are but ok!"

 

[Across The Field]

Have perused the UM boards, it's not much different than what we are seeing here. The most illogical part of the defense is this:

- Stallion is stuck to the side of the DC and OC, every game. That's not something that a $50K per year recruiting staff member does. My son's best friend has such a role at Bama. While he is on the field during the games, he is never right up front. Satan knows who he is and hired him, as do the coordinators. But standing beside them all game, feeding info they use to then call plays - not a fucking chance. The only people doing that are highly respected or informed people who typically have a coaching role. Even analysts don't have that type of game-day role or access.

- If there was someone doing that who no one knew at some point Harbaugh or the coordinators would say who the hell is this guy that's just hanging around? They ain't doing that. Denying they even know who he is is nuts.

- A common refrain is that this is a guy who was a super fan who just showed up at away games and met the team, etc. The idea a guy like that could go from a super fan to basically feeding play-by-play info to both coordinators (that is also odd - normal analysts are on one side of the ball) is absurd.

- That all the players around them jump up and down and make certain signals to their teammates means this has been practiced and rehearsed. They don't have the guys feeding signals just show up on Saturday and hope they get it right. It is well rehearsed and practiced. They aren't doing that without Stallion being involved. So, you telling me this guy they have around the building during the week is someone they don't know?

- Finally, the laminated card is a dead give-away. You don't do that unless you know you have their signals. It takes away the "we figured it out during the game" defense. I'd bet you won't find them in the game against TCU that they failed to do this type of advanced scouting on.

Multiple sources within OSU have confirmed that the laminated card was all of OSU's signals. This is getting dirtier and dirtier. michigan fans who think this guy's actions couldn't have possibly given them a ridiculous competitive advantage are lying to themselves.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

If you can't beat the best...cheat. Pretty clear. Harbaugh got desperate and it could cost him his job.

You know what they say. Every accusation is a confession.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Why are they looking at the sidelines and they immediately making signals and changes? Shouldn't they be looking at the formation and players? Extremely suspicious, nothing about it makes sense.

Reminder. Sign stealing is legal.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Reminder. Sign stealing is legal.

Reminder. Sign stealing is not legal if done by scouting on-site in advance of the game, or using electronic devices to record such signals. The circumstantial evidence indicates this happened.

We know that in the tOSU game last year they had the signals in advance and did not steal them during the game.

I'd grab my ankles if I were you ... NCAA, B1G, and/or the CFP are coming in dry.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Reminder. Sign stealing is not legal if done by scouting on-site in advance of the game, or using electronic devices to record such signals. The circumstantial evidence indicates this happened.

We know that in the tOSU game last year they had the signals in advance and did not steal them during the game.

I'd grab my ankles if I were you ... NCAA, B1G, and/or the CFP are coming in dry.

He thinks that because sign stealing is legal it shouldn't matter how it was done. And that the NCAA is going to see the light now thanks to Michigan and change da rules. Pure denial.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Multiple sources within OSU have confirmed that the laminated card was all of OSU's signals. This is getting dirtier and dirtier. michigan fans who think this guy's actions couldn't have possibly given them a ridiculous competitive advantage are lying to themselves.

GTFOH. Ohio State even came out and said they change their signs each game, including their games against Michigan. I love when random fans talk about "sources"

This is from Ohio State's own website:

Ohio State “Changed Things Up” Against Michigan Due to Team’s Alleged Sign Stealing

Ohio State “changed things up” in its play-calling signals after discovering that a Michigan football staffer was allegedly stealing signs, an OSU staff member told Yahoo Sports.

www.elevenwarriors.com

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Reminder. Sign stealing is not legal if done by scouting on-site in advance of the game, or using electronic devices to record such signals. The circumstantial evidence indicates this happened.

We know that in the tOSU game last year they had the signals in advance and did not steal them during the game.

I'd grab my ankles if I were you ... NCAA, B1G, and/or the CFP are coming in dry.

Again -- Here is Ohio State coming out and saying -- they had all new signs for their game against Michigan. So exactly how did Michigan have their signs?

Ohio State “Changed Things Up” Against Michigan Due to Team’s Alleged Sign Stealing

Ohio State “changed things up” in its play-calling signals after discovering that a Michigan football staffer was allegedly stealing signs, an OSU staff member told Yahoo Sports.

www.elevenwarriors.com

This isn't from a Michigan website reporting this. This is elevenwarriors, which is the Ohio State website.

 

[CoalTrain]

Lol I can't get over them wanting us to believe that the real coaches just randomly started to take advice constantly from some low level dude.

"Excuse me Mr Harbaugh you should run this play now" "I'm not sure who you are but ok!"

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Lol I can't get over them wanting us to believe that the real coaches just randomly started to take advice constantly from some low level dude.

"Excuse me Mr Harbaugh you should run this play now" "I'm not sure who you are but ok!"

The guy was hired as a football analyst, whose expertise was in code breaking. His sole job was to try and decipher the signals of the other team.

I swear, it is as people have no understanding of what goes on during an actual game. Has anyone on this site actually played the game of football? ALL TEAMS are trying to steal the signs of the other team during the game -- it is why teams change up their signs from game to game. This isn't just in college, HS teams change their signals each game, NFL teams change their signals each game.

Here is Nebraska's coach Matt Rhule's comment today:
“Sign stealing happens every game,” Rhule said. “There’s nothing wrong with teams over there looking over trying to steal our signs. There’s nothing wrong with us trying to look at their signs. That’s why you should have mics in the helmets, right? All these coaches have voted against it every year, it’s because they don’t want to teach their quarterback.

The guy who "randomly started giving advice to the OC and DC" -- guess what -- your team has one of those guys too. So does any major football program. You guys are acting like UM invented the wheel here. This has been going on for as long as football has been around.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The guy was hired as a football analyst, whose expertise was in code breaking. His sole job was to try and decipher the signals of the other team.

I swear, it is as people have no understanding of what goes on during an actual game. Has anyone on this site actually played the game of football? ALL TEAMS are trying to steal the signs of the other team during the game -- it is why teams change up their signs from game to game. This isn't just in college, HS teams change their signals each game, NFL teams change their signals each game.

Here is Nebraska's coach Matt Rhule's comment today:
“Sign stealing happens every game,” Rhule said. “There’s nothing wrong with teams over there looking over trying to steal our signs. There’s nothing wrong with us trying to look at their signs. That’s why you should have mics in the helmets, right? All these coaches have voted against it every year, it’s because they don’t want to teach their quarterback.

The guy who "randomly started giving advice to the OC and DC" -- guess what -- your team has one of those guys too. So does any major football program. You guys are acting like UM invented the wheel here. This has been going on for as long as football has been around.

You can't be this dense. We all know that you can try to steal signs in-game. Do you think we don't know that? The question is did they do any of the two things that are prohibited:

- Advance scouting at other schools
- Using video or electronic equipment to steal signals.

How could you not understand after 45 pages that is the issue?

And, there is a ton of circumstantial evidence that is what happened.

And no, my guy doesn't have a $50K recruiting staffer sitting next to him. He has million dollar TE coach, and other coaches and analysts next to him. I am sure there are people in the box who are trying to steal signals in-game, and make sense of formations, etc. But, not we don't buy front row seats to all SEC games and potential CFP opponents and stand the entire time recording the team's sideline. If we did, I would be embrassed.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Now it's personal ... you done messed with the SEC ... hell to pay now.

 

[Codaxx]

I hope this actually inspires change. Stealing signs has been going on forever. The P5 should allow radio communications in the helmets and take this shit out of the dark ages. Most of these schools spend more on smoothie machines than they would on a radio in the helmet. Given the money being thrown around there is no reason for this to even be an issue

 

[osubuckeye89]

Now it's personal ... you done messed with the SEC ... hell to pay now.

“He’s just a nice guy who was buying tickets for his friends”