More Michigan Cheating

Voltaire said:
Let me clarify this, I find it laughable, that y'all are "Piling on Michigan". ohio state is a very admirable enemy, and I am damn glad to have them. By the way; Who is West Virginia's rival East Virginia?
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I'd say it is either VTech or Pitt.
 
fordman84 said:
I agree. I think this is going to be an institutional issue considering all the pretty serious issues that happened in the last 3-4 years. Improper recruiting, systemic sign stealing, federal computer hacking, etc.

The UM fans are going to wish this was "just a cheeseburger" because to an outsider it looks like the inmates were running the asylum under Hairball. It's approaching a level where the football program took a "win at any costs, do whatever we want" to the degree the program could take a pretty serious hit. Their fans should be sending money to SMU's NIL fund to thank them for taking the death penalty off the table because no joke this is approaching that level.
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I think the "adults" are finally starting to step back in for Michigan and take control (See the lawyers telling them "fuck no you aren't doing that" when they tried to bring Harbaugh in to trot on the field as a captain for the 1st game) problem is it's much too late. The damage is already done. Michigan has not only not cooperated, they've tried to make as much of a outright mockery of all of this as they possibly could. (Like the joke shit of them rushing to cover their huddle when the cameras would pan toward it to try to give the illusion that they are the victims)

I wouldn't put it past Michigan to try to pull some shit like "self impose" a joke postseason ban in November if they are clearly out of playoff intention. But that's not gonna fly with the NCAA here, at least I hope it wouldn't.
 
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osubuckeye89 said:
I think the "adults" are finally starting to step back in for Michigan and take control (See the lawyers telling them "fuck no you aren't doing that" when they tried to bring Harbaugh in to trot on the field as a captain for the 1st game) problem is it's much too late. The damage is already done. Michigan has not only not cooperated, they've tried to make as much of a outright mockery of all of this as they possibly could. (Like the joke shit of them rushing to cover their huddle when the cameras would pan toward it to try to give the illusion that they are the victims)

I wouldn't put it past Michigan to try to pull some shit like "self impose" a joke postseason ban in November if they are clearly out of playoff intention. But that's not gonna fly with the NCAA here, at least I hope it wouldn't.
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I could see the NCAA continuing to drag this out, then for the 2025 season when scholarships go up they take a couple dozen away. Won't end up really hurting them except in competition with other schools who have more spots to offer.
 
Voltaire said:
I’m not going to debate if Michigan broke NCAA rules. It appears we did, and I did not investigate it. I am also not going to point at other programs to absolve us from our actions. What is interesting and needs to be vetted, is the punishment or ramifications fair. Also, are the violated rules dumbass rules. Maybe we can discuss this over a cheeseburger 🍔. 🤣
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But you guys continuing to insist that all it was was a cheeseburger is why we have a hard time taking you seriously. It wasn't that he just bought a cheeseburger for a recruit (it was actually Harbaugh who ordered the cheeseburger for breakfast - it was why the recruit was so easily able to remember the incident - he said it was weird as hell that someone would order a cheeseburger for breakfast).

- You purposefully broke the rules in a dead period, during Covid, multiple times.
- Your HC then covered it up and lied about it.

Sorry, but that isn't just a "cheeseburger" - I know you said it in jest, but that has been a common theme amongst UM defenders.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
If they can prove it was stallions on the sidelines, yes. That was always the most "rule breaking" aspect of the infractions. To the letter of the rule, hiring 3rd party individuals to sit in the stands and record video for you is actually not against the rules per the letter of the law. This rule in the rulebook mentions "institutional staff members". Throwing money at friends or people on work sites to do this for you is not a direct violation, but always was a violation of the spirit of the rule (much like having information given to you by teams who have already played). If the NCAA hits them with some minor violations for that, my guess is that they'll just take those secondary violations rather than try and fight against the technicality.
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Oh, my god ... not this again. Please look up the concept of "agency." You can't hire a third party to do something you can't do within the rules and then argue it really wasn't your team doing it. You argued this 200 pages ago and it was equally dimwitted at the time.
 
fordman84 said:
I could see the NCAA continuing to drag this out, then for the 2025 season when scholarships go up they take a couple dozen away. Won't end up really hurting them except in competition with other schools who have more spots to offer.
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A credible insider who has been mostly right on this stuff is now saying to buckle up because "more bad news is set to drop for Michigan before the start of the season"

I wonder if this could be related to those "computer access crimes" I mentioned earlier.

But yea there is going to be no punishment handed down by the NCAA until early 2025 at the earliest. Highly doubtful anything happens for this year, even then a postseason ban in a year where the team is likely to lose 3 or 4 games and play in some 2nd rate bowl game against a SEC also ran would be a joke anyways.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
But you guys continuing to insist that all it was was a cheeseburger is why we have a hard time taking you seriously. It wasn't that he just bought a cheeseburger for a recruit (it was actually Harbaugh who ordered the cheeseburger for breakfast - it was why the recruit was so easily able to remember the incident - he said it was weird as hell that someone would order a cheeseburger for breakfast).

- You purposefully broke the rules in a dead period, during Covid, multiple times.
- Your HC then covered it up and lied about it.

Sorry, but that isn't just a "cheeseburger" - I know you said it in jest, but that has been a common theme amongst UM defenders.
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I haven’t done any research outside reading this thread. I am not claiming Michigan’s innocence in anything. I am just questioning the seriousness and the stupidity of the violations. I, also, am not pointing fingers at any other program. I think cheeseburger 🍔 is funny.
 
What's going to be the excuse if it does come out that Michigan did indeed access Ohio State's practice footage (and tried to access others)?

"Everyone illegally obtains access to their opponents practice videos"?
 
osubuckeye89 said:
What's going to be the excuse if it does come out that Michigan did indeed access Ohio State's practice footage (and tried to access others)?

"Everyone illegally obtains access to their opponents practice videos"?
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That’s a question for you to answer. How did Michigan get your practice footage? If you are offended, let me offer my apologies. I’m sorry. :sorry:
 
Voltaire said:
That’s a question for you to answer. How did Michigan get your practice footage? If you are offended, let me offer my apologies. I’m sorry. :sorry:
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I guess the answer would be it doesn't matter. Unauthorized access is unauthorized access.

If I get your bank account info somehow and drain it into my account, does it really matter how I got the info?

My guess would be they bought a bunch of those darkweb password lists and searched them for @osu.edu, looked for the names of people involved with the football program and just kept trying until they found one that hit. (Then Weiss kept using the same method to get into coeds accounts and find their nudesssssssssss)

This isn't directly them hacking anyone, but still unauthorized access.
 
Voltaire said:
Let me clarify this, I find it laughable, that y'all are "Piling on Michigan". ohio state is a very admirable enemy, and I am damn glad to have them. By the way; Who is West Virginia's rival East Virginia?
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I should have corrected you last time, that was my bad. No one is piling on Michigan. We're piling on the delusional flip flopping mental gymnastics king that is coming up with just about every excuse for michigans innocence here. If not for him, this thread probably doesn't go 30 pages let alone 230.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I guess the answer would be it doesn't matter. Unauthorized access is unauthorized access.

If I get your bank account info somehow and drain it into my account, does it really matter how I got the info?

My guess would be they bought a bunch of those darkweb password lists and searched them for @osu.edu, looked for the names of people involved with the football program and just kept trying until they found one that hit. (Then Weiss kept using the same method to get into coeds accounts and find their nudesssssssssss)

This isn't directly them hacking anyone, but still unauthorized access.
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Personally, I have issues with hacking and stealing. I would not minimize the seriousness of that. Playbooks and passwords are sacred in football. Signals given out in the open, not so much. Encrypted electronic communication would fall under hacking. Spying on practices with drones is a no no …. Allowing unauthorized people to witness your practice is on you.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Oh, my god ... not this again. Please look up the concept of "agency." You can't hire a third party to do something you can't do within the rules and then argue it really wasn't your team doing it. You argued this 200 pages ago and it was equally dimwitted at the time.
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That's not how that works. In NCAA land, everything not specifically called out is in fact legal (per the actual rules). Which is why they went to great lengths to define what a booster was. Unless unofficially hiring a 3rd party is specifically illegal, then it's legal.
 
It's very distressing to see all this misconduct in the B1G. We were led to believe this was an honorable conference.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
That's not how that works. In NCAA land, everything not specifically called out is in fact legal (per the actual rules). Which is why they went to great lengths to define what a booster was. Unless unofficially hiring a 3rd party is specifically illegal, then it's legal.
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LOL

We've been over this a dozen times. It's in the rules, dimwit.


"The rule also prohibits "employing or paying the expenses of someone else to scout the opponent.”
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL

We've been over this a dozen times. It's in the rules, dimwit.


"The rule also prohibits "employing or paying the expenses of someone else to scout the opponent.”
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It does not at all. It prohibits the school from doing that. These people were not employees or affiliated with the school in any way.
 
Voltaire said:
Personally, I have issues with hacking and stealing. I would not minimize the seriousness of that. Playbooks and passwords are sacred in football. Signals given out in the open, not so much. Encrypted electronic communication would fall under hacking. Spying on practices with drones is a no no …. Allowing unauthorized people to witness your practice is on you.
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Unauthorized access meaning unauthorized access to practice footage that was saved on Ohio State computers. Not someone getting in somehow and videoing the practices themselves.
 
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