More Michigan Cheating

[Red_Alert]

From what I read (just now) Bush’s investigation was started in 2007 (incident was 2004), and Bush spent 3 years in court defending himself. The investigation did not last 4 years.

1. Was Stallions employed by the University of Michigan at the time of the incidents (easy to prove)?
2. Did Stallions attend games of future opponents (Pretty easy to prove)?
3. Did Stallions record futures opponents giving signs? Do they have proof of the recordings?
4. Did Stallions share the recordings with anyone?
5. Who decoded the signals?

This does not appear to be a complicated investigation. Is there more to this than I know?

You're claiming that USC wasn't under investigation from 2006 - 2010?
That USC punished itself in 2010 for no reason?

The proof and answers to your 5 questions apparently comes in June.

 

[Red_Alert]

This could be something that would explain a lot. What I read in this thread is pretty fucking thin.

The NCAA stating in it's Notice of Allegations that the alleged scheme was "premeditated" and "deliberate" tells me it's not so "thin".

 

[Voltaire]

You're claiming that USC wasn't under investigation from 2006 - 2010?
That USC punished itself in 2010 for no reason?

The proof and answers to your 5 questions apparently comes in June.

If memory serves me correctly, Reggie Bush took that case to civil court. The NCAA prevailed.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Being how there's yet to be a final resolution, for all we know, we haven't been privy to the good stuff yet. It's not likely as cut & dried as the Michigan fans want it to be.

We’ve seen leaks of every aspect, which as far as I know has never happened. NCAA gives us notice, we have the notice. Michigan responds, we have the response. It’s insane. We had Pete thamel reporting inside the stadium before the Ohio state game. The ncaa was leaking so much shit to everyone. And we’re banned from commenting on an open investigation. IMO those leaks should negate the whole thing.

 

[Voltaire]

The NCAA stating in its Notice of Allegations that the alleged scheme was "premeditated" and "deliberate" tells me it's not so "thin".

You, me and everyone who has posted in this thread doesn’t know what the NCAA has.

 

[Red_Alert]

If memory serves me correctly, Reggie Bush took that case to civil court. The NCAA prevailed.

For his particular personal punishment.

USC themselves got punished for Failing to Monitor.

Harbaugh, Moore, Stalions, etc. will get their own punishments as well, but that doesn't abolish Michigan's part in Failing to Monitor.
Whether Harbaugh, Moore, Stallions, etc. opt to fight their personal punishments is up to them.

 

[Red_Alert]

You, me and everyone who has posted in this thread doesn’t know what the NCAA has.

Correct.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If I’m “stumped” it from reading this thread. What games were affected? TCU wasn’t.

Was the Michigan St game? You know, the one he was "in person scouting" against???

 

[ralphiewvu]

Effort doesn’t change the level of violation.

Do me a favor and quit minimizing how much of an advantage this gave Michigan.

Thanks

 

[Brutus]

Have you ever known an investigation in the NCAA that is longer than this? This really isn’t the same team they been investigating.

Per Grok:

NCAA investigations can be lengthy due to the complexity of cases, the need for thorough evidence collection, and coordination with legal processes.

1. Syracuse University (2007–2015, ~8 years)
2. North Carolina Academic Scandal (2010–2017, ~7 years)
3. USC (Reggie Bush Case, 2005–2010, ~5 years)
4. Baylor University (2011–2021, ~5 years)
5. FBI College Basketball Corruption Probe (2017–2023, ~6 years)

Why Investigations Take So Long:
• Complexity: Cases often involve multiple violations, sports, or individuals, requiring extensive evidence like interviews and financial records.
• Legal Coordination: NCAA often waits for federal or institutional investigations to conclude, as seen in the basketball probe.
• Due Process: Schools and coaches have rights to respond to allegations, access evidence, and appeal, adding time.
• Resource Constraints: The NCAA’s enforcement staff is limited, and high-profile cases demand significant resources.

 

[Brutus]

So we can stop with the “why is this taking so long” narrative

 

[cwerph]

So we can stop with the “why is this taking so long” narrative

Investigations take lots less time when institutions don't stonewall.

Grok should also mention that the NCAA does not have subpoena power, so their investigations depend upon the cooperation of the institutions and those involved. In this case, neither Harbaugh nor Stalions would agree to be interviewed by the NCAA. IIRC, Stalions took evidence with him (hard drives, etc).

Stalions had 4 tickets on both sidelines of the OSU-PSU game in 2023 with a clear view of both sidelines. Both teams were late opponents of Michigan in 2023. Those tickets were big $$$. The story broke before that game, with the NCAA warning the B1G office and the B1G office warning B1G teams of the allegations. Strangely, none of the 4 tickets purchased were used.

Ok, maybe not so strangely.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Per Grok:

NCAA investigations can be lengthy due to the complexity of cases, the need for thorough evidence collection, and coordination with legal processes.

1. Syracuse University (2007–2015, ~8 years)
2. North Carolina Academic Scandal (2010–2017, ~7 years)
3. USC (Reggie Bush Case, 2005–2010, ~5 years)
4. Baylor University (2011–2021, ~5 years)
5. FBI College Basketball Corruption Probe (2017–2023, ~6 years)

Why Investigations Take So Long:
• Complexity: Cases often involve multiple violations, sports, or individuals, requiring extensive evidence like interviews and financial records.
• Legal Coordination: NCAA often waits for federal or institutional investigations to conclude, as seen in the basketball probe.
• Due Process: Schools and coaches have rights to respond to allegations, access evidence, and appeal, adding time.
• Resource Constraints: The NCAA’s enforcement staff is limited, and high-profile cases demand significant resources.

Now. Tell me how much was leaked to the press by the ncaa throughout all of those collectively.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Do me a favor and quit minimizing how much of an advantage this gave Michigan.

Thanks

lol. 0. 0 advantage. The advantage was to stallions, who found an easy way to come to the same conclusion.

There’s no advantage to a home buyer if their construction crew used power tools vs hand tools.

 

[fishinabarrel]

lol. 0. 0 advantage. The advantage was to stallions, who found an easy way to come to the same conclusion.

There’s no advantage to a home buyer if their construction crew used power tools vs hand tools.

Except for the house getting done like 75% faster and oh, that same home buyer needs you to build another house and you can continue doing it quicker bc of the advantage of power tools while other contractors are using hand tools.

What a dumb metaphor. Had to see that on mgo

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I’m

Except for the house getting done like 75% faster and oh, that same home buyer needs you to build another house and you can continue doing it quicker bc of the advantage of power tools while other contractors are using hand tools.

What a dumb metaphor. Had to see that on mgo

Again, that helps the builder. Stallions. He cheated at doing his job but ended at the same place all other teams do. Translates to 0 advantage on Gameday.

 

[Voltaire]

Per Grok:

NCAA investigations can be lengthy due to the complexity of cases, the need for thorough evidence collection, and coordination with legal processes.

1. Syracuse University (2007–2015, ~8 years)
2. North Carolina Academic Scandal (2010–2017, ~7 years)
3. USC (Reggie Bush Case, 2005–2010, ~5 years)
4. Baylor University (2011–2021, ~5 years)
5. FBI College Basketball Corruption Probe (2017–2023, ~6 years)

Why Investigations Take So Long:
• Complexity: Cases often involve multiple violations, sports, or individuals, requiring extensive evidence like interviews and financial records.
• Legal Coordination: NCAA often waits for federal or institutional investigations to conclude, as seen in the basketball probe.
• Due Process: Schools and coaches have rights to respond to allegations, access evidence, and appeal, adding time.
• Resource Constraints: The NCAA’s enforcement staff is limited, and high-profile cases demand significant resources.

You see the problem is in the Michigan Case everyone knows everything and it's not complicated. At least on of the above cases ended up in court which could add time.

 

[Red_Alert]

lol. 0. 0 advantage. The advantage was to stallions, who found an easy way to come to the same conclusion.

There’s no advantage to a home buyer if their construction crew used power tools vs hand tools.

LOL

maze&blew never disappoints with the mental gymnastics.

 

[Red_Alert]

Now. Tell me how much was leaked to the press by the ncaa throughout all of those collectively.

LOL

How do you know it's not Michigan doing the leaking to try and stay ahead of the story and establish a "iT's nO BiG dEaL. ErBoDy DoEs iT" narrative?

 

[Red_Alert]

Let's put it this way.

Nobody but Michigan and the NCAA has seen the complete NOA or Michigan's complete response to the NOA.

Michigan leaked the 'draft' NOA.

As far as we know the official NOA goes considerably deeper than what Michigan has selectively leaked to the public.