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This has always made more sense to me. Get Cal, Stanford, Ore and Wash now. In 2036 go after 2-4 ACC teams that matter to you.


It’s like you are bipolar.

You are adamant that UNC would add nothing if the SEC were to add them but think the B1G should add Stanford and Cal now?

That makes zero sense and completely nukes your argument that any additions have to be worth 100mm in revenue.
 
I am trying to find it but it was literally one of the commonly published rumors around the first month or so after UCLA/USC left. Big12 apparently offered Oregon and Washington and one of the parts of the offer was that they would have a no exit fee clause if offered membership in the B1G.

The logic was that they may get 1-2 years with both either way and it forces the hands of Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah.

Ultimately though, I think the Big12 just wants the Pac12 dead because that is one less league to compete against.

Ugh... then again maybe this is what I saw :facepalm: . If so, my apologies. However, I thought there was more noise about it back then with explanations as to why they did it (it was really more a move to kill Pac12 than actually expecting to get Oregon and Washington long-term).


I can promise you the B12 has offered NO ONE because it would get them sued for tampering as fast as the lawyers could draw it up.
 
I can promise you the B12 has offered NO ONE because it would get them sued for tampering as fast as the lawyers could draw it up.

Officially that is true but there have been discussions...
 
Officially that is true but there have been discussions...
I’m sure everyone in the PAC has contacted the B12 but there is zero chance the B12 has promised anyone anything.
 
I’m sure everyone in the PAC has contacted the B12 but there is zero chance the B12 has promised anyone anything.

It is very easy to get around and make promises without them being promises.

You can start the sentence by saying hypothetically in the future if a happens, we could do b. It really isn't that hard to get around the legal requirements but give out hints.

Sure nothing has been offered in writing.
 
Ultimately though, I think the Big12 just wants the Pac12 dead because that is one less league to compete against.
All three are fighting over crumbs at this point so I don't see it. I don't think it matters whether the PAC 12 or the ACC is around or not. Big 12 schools aren't going to get more money no matter which teams from non SEC or B1G teams join them at this point. (Except ND and that ain't happening.) Which available teams do you think would cause the Big 12's teams to see an increase in their current share of the pie?
 
It’s like you are bipolar.

You are adamant that UNC would add nothing if the SEC were to add them but think the B1G should add Stanford and Cal now?

That makes zero sense and completely nukes your argument that any additions have to be worth 100mm in revenue.
I am not bipolar, and I assume that you didn't read the rest of the posts where I explained the apparent contradiction. Go read my responses. it doesn't make sense economically. That doesn't mean the B1G has a problem that might get solved by bringing in teams for reasons other than economics.

Even for the SEC there might be other reasons to bring in teams that don't earn their share. I think the SEC is a little more mercenary in that regard, but perhaps there are long-term reasons to bring in a team that isn't going to earn their share that I don't know of. No one here has come close to explaining the love for UVa or VaTech, but perhaps there are non-economic reasons to do so. I just think at the end of the day other schools are going to be willing to give up $5 million per year to bring in UVa/VaTech teams.
 
All three are fighting over crumbs at this point so I don't see it. I don't think it matters whether the PAC 12 or the ACC is around or not. Big 12 schools aren't going to get more money no matter which teams from non SEC or B1G teams join them at this point. (Except ND and that ain't happening.) Which available teams do you think would cause the Big 12's teams to see an increase in their current share of the pie?

Clemson, FSU, Oregon, Washington, Miami, UNC, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.

Ultimately, I think the Big12 is really not pushing to be directly in line with the B1G or SEC but to be the third best league. I think they have strong potential to fit that bill. On paper, the ACC should be the third best but they are a train wreck.

As I pointed out, Oregon and Washington are more prestigious brands than any of the current Big12 members which makes the Pac12 a slight threat as well.

Big12's entire outlook changed though by adding BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF (well maybe not Houston). These G5 teams add a lot to the league and I think they will stay playoff contenders along with Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU right now.
 
Don't know who this dude is, but this is bad news/good news for some of you, if true:



Agree but all of us (including me) have to be careful on any media reports. They have been about as accurate as people spitting out their opinions on this message board.

Still fun to talk about or speculate on which is why I do it and post articles as well.
 
Agree but all of us (including me) have to be careful on any media reports. They have been about as accurate as people spitting out their opinions on this message board.

Still fun to talk about or speculate on which is why I do it and post articles as well.
Hence starting my post with, "Don't know who this dude is,"
 
All three are fighting over crumbs at this point so I don't see it. I don't think it matters whether the PAC 12 or the ACC is around or not. Big 12 schools aren't going to get more money no matter which teams from non SEC or B1G teams join them at this point. (Except ND and that ain't happening.) Which available teams do you think would cause the Big 12's teams to see an increase in their current share of the pie?
The B12 sole purpose for grabbing these teams is to be #3. There is no illusion anywhere they’ll be able to match much less get a higher price compared to the P2. But if a breakaway would occur, the B12 would like to think they could be part of it.

Given what this conference has gone through in realignment it’s nice to see them on the offensive here. I’m not in favor of killing the PAC or ACC, but if it’s going to help secure my teams future as #3 then so be it.
 
Don't know who this dude is, but this is bad news/good news for some of you, if true:



people laugh about him since he continues to throw things on a wall hoping one sticks
Yeah that dude is a crazy B12 homer praying the PAC parishes. Usually the stuff he states that ends up being true is already put out by someone more reputable. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy his tweets and the number of Oregon State and Utah fans that reply claiming it’s all B12 propaganda is comedy gold.
 
For about 2 years and then that sports budget gets cut to 1/3rd of what it’s at now for the better part of eternity.
Will be alot longer than 2 years. Plus our budget is already 1/3 of what was promised to be at this time.
 
Will be alot longer than 2 years. Plus our budget is already 1/3 of what was promised to be at this time.
Oregon and Washington bouncing is going to jettison you to the MWC. Yeah you’ll get a severance and then not make close to what you have been making being in a P5. Ohh, and you all still gotta pay $5 mill each to Comcast.
 
Seeing rumors that Colorado and Arizona are about to jump ship and saw where some guy posted the following:

"Colorado’s board of trustees have an executive session (non-public) meeting scheduled for tomorrow with a regularly scheduled two-day meeting in a couple of weeks. It’s possible that tomorrow’s executive session could be to discuss a potential move to the Big 12 with the formal decision occurring during the regularly scheduled meeting."

All of it could be crap or posturing.
 
Seeing rumors that Colorado and Arizona are about to jump ship and saw where some guy posted the following:

"Colorado’s board of trustees have an executive session (non-public) meeting scheduled for tomorrow with a regularly scheduled two-day meeting in a couple of weeks. It’s possible that tomorrow’s executive session could be to discuss a potential move to the Big 12 with the formal decision occurring during the regularly scheduled meeting."

All of it could be crap or posturing.
not sure what everyone is waiting for over there
 
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