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[ralphiewvu]

Dude the SEC and B1G could break away offer the Big12 and ACC a piece of a new tournament and 4 conferences would split almost a billion dollars because the NCAA March Madness would be done. All the money schools would be in the new format.

It wouldnt even be that hard to pull off.

Yes, the B12 would 100% be for that.

What Yormark and the B12 (and I) are deathly afraid of is the P2 breaking off and forming their own CFB playoff that would still pay a pretty penny with less mouths to feed.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Yes, the B12 would 100% be for that.

What Yormark and the B12 (and I) are deathly afraid of is the P2 breaking off and forming their own CFB playoff that would still pay a pretty penny with less mouths to feed.

Think about the money teams:

NC
Duke
Kansas
KY
Michigan State
Michigan
Gonzaga
Villanova
Louisville

Teams that are historical:
UCLA
Indiana
Arizona

Teams that are exciting and have history:
Arkansas
Syracuse
Virginia
West Virginia

New teams to the scene:
Baylor
Auburn
Tenn
Texas Tech
Alabama

A basketball tournament needs the ACC teams and Big 12 teams to work so just the P2 can’t do that. If the 4 conferences do then they can open invite the Butler, Villanova and Gonzaga’s of the world. Yes you would miss the runs by Loyola, SDS and Oral Roberts but the money will make it a no brainer.

At some point this happens. The NCAA billion dollar budget is built off the NCAA BB tournament and that’s just the next cash cow big schools will come after. It’s not if but when.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Think about the money teams:

NC
Duke
Kansas
KY
Michigan State
Michigan
Gonzaga
Villanova
Louisville

Teams that are historical:
UCLA
Indiana
Arizona

Teams that are exciting and have history:
Arkansas
Syracuse
Virginia
West Virginia

New teams to the scene:
Baylor
Auburn
Tenn
Texas Tech
Alabama

A basketball tournament needs the ACC teams and Big 12 teams to work so just the P2 can’t do that. If the 4 conferences do then they can open invite the Butler, Villanova and Gonzaga’s of the world. Yes you would miss the runs by Loyola, SDS and Oral Roberts but the money will make it a no brainer.

At some point this happens. The NCAA billion dollar budget is built off the NCAA BB tournament and that’s just the next cash cow big schools will come after. It’s not if but when.

Yes, everyone in the B12 and ACC would 100% be for this. The issue that worries some is if the P2 breakaway and form their own playoff for football.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Yes, everyone in the B12 and ACC would 100% be for this. The issue that worries some is if the P2 breakaway and form their own playoff for football.

Won’t happen until 2036 when ACC folds.

My money is now on the B1G taking Oregon and Washington on a reduced revenue program to fix the travel nightmare they created and the 4 corners go to the Big 12.

Once the PAC and ACC are off the bd and their traditional powers and big names are absorbed there is no reason for the P2 not to have their own playoff.

The Big 12 has a shot to be included but their programs have to invest and make statements on the field or they won’t have a voice in it.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Won’t happen until 2036 when ACC folds.

My money is now on the B1G taking Oregon and Washington on a reduced revenue program to fix the travel nightmare they created and the 4 corners go to the Big 12.

Once the PAC and ACC are off the bd and their traditional powers and big names are absorbed there is no reason for the P2 not to have their own playoff.

The Big 12 has a shot to be included but their programs have to invest and make statements on the field or they won’t have a voice in it.

And this is exactly what the B12 is trying to prevent. Gather enough basketball schools (with the NCAA) to tell the P2 to fuck off when it comes March madness time should they break off for football. That’s why imo Yormark was talking with UConn and Memphis plus Arizona would be a huge get. Same with Duke should ether P2 pass on them when that GoR breaks/finishes up.

 

[OlyDuck]

Think about the money teams:

NC
Duke
Kansas
KY
Michigan State
Michigan
Gonzaga
Villanova
Louisville

Teams that are historical:
UCLA
Indiana
Arizona

Teams that are exciting and have history:
Arkansas
Syracuse
Virginia
West Virginia

New teams to the scene:
Baylor
Auburn
Tenn
Texas Tech
Alabama

A basketball tournament needs the ACC teams and Big 12 teams to work so just the P2 can’t do that. If the 4 conferences do then they can open invite the Butler, Villanova and Gonzaga’s of the world. Yes you would miss the runs by Loyola, SDS and Oral Roberts but the money will make it a no brainer.

At some point this happens. The NCAA billion dollar budget is built off the NCAA BB tournament and that’s just the next cash cow big schools will come after. It’s not if but when.

How is Arizona historical? I honestly dont get it. the perception is so over blown it make no sense.

 

[Knight&Day]

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BYU way out shines on both SDSU and SMU but fresno holds pretty well. people are more hung up on recent history for cinci and ucf

Meh. It pretty heavily skews things when everyone has such drastically different starting points.

SMU has been an FBS team for over a century (the NCAA murdering them was their own fault). SDSU & FRST have been FBS teams for over a half century.

UCF’s only been an FBS team since 1996. Just for perspective, I’ve been alive for longer than that.

 

[CoalTrain]

The quality of Maryland and Rutgers football program (or any other sport) didn’t have one damn thing to do with them getting into the B1G. The ONLY reason the B1G was willing to take them was because of the amount of money they could bring to the table via the number of television sets in their footprint. Anyone that believes it was for any other reason is naive as hell.

100%, NY/Jersey market, Baltimore/DC market and it paid off for the BIG. On field performance had nothing to do with it at that time, ask WVU.

Now, the markets don’t mean quite as much now days with the newer medias but they do matter when weighing potential expansion targets.

 

[ericd7633]

How is Arizona historical? I honestly dont get it. the perception is so over blown it make no sense.

You're the only one that thinks this. They are a huge CBB brand. The last 40 years they are a top 15 program and that's despite somewhat underachieving in the tournament relative to their regular seasons.

 

[Thiefery]

What a complete clusterfuck the PAC has become and it all started when tejas toyed with them in attempt to get further concessions from their BIG 12 brethren. Of whom they ultimately wound up shitting on anyway.

Source: Pac-12 eyes deal for Texas, Oklahoma

The Pac-12 is working on a deal to bring Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to the conference, according to a report by the American-Statesman.

www.espn.com

Should the PAC be included in the meme below? tejas is the common denominator in each case.
Look out SEC, the donghorns are on their way to manipulate you.

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[CoalTrain]

You're the only one that thinks this. They are a huge CBB brand. The last 40 years they are a top 15 program and that's despite somewhat underachieving in the tournament relative to their regular seasons.

And that Basketball brand brings good money to whatever conference Arizona (or UConn, KU, UCLA ect.) play in. Is it football level money? No, but it does make a difference when you are scratching for every dollar you can get as a conference to try n stay relevant.
The SEC and BIG ain’t terribly worried about the basketball money, any they get from hoops is just gravy on the steak but the other conferences have to use a different strategy/mindset because their football brands aren’t as valuable to the media companies.

With Arizona on board, the Big12 can offer the Cats to a media partner to what is probably the best overall basketball conference right now. Good value.

 

[ericd7633]

And that Basketball brand brings good money to whatever conference Arizona (or UConn, KU, UCLA ect.) play in. Is it football level money? No, but it does make a difference when you are scratching for every dollar you can get as a conference to try n stay relevant.
The SEC and BIG ain’t terribly worried about the basketball money, any they get from hoops is just gravy on the steak but the other conferences have to use a different strategy/mindset because their football brands aren’t as valuable to the media companies.

There is some good money to be made by simply making the tournament. The Big 12 may be thinking it's more likely to get more money from the likes of Arizona, Uconn, Memphis and Gonzaga making deep runs in the tournament than it is if an available school makes the CFP.

 

[Wild Turkey]

And this is exactly what the B12 is trying to prevent. Gather enough basketball schools (with the NCAA) to tell the P2 to fuck off when it comes March madness time should they break off for football. That’s why imo Yormark was talking with UConn and Memphis plus Arizona would be a huge get. Same with Duke should ether P2 pass on them when that GoR breaks/finishes up.

If the P2 gets the ACC on board it’s over. There isn’t anything the B12 can do. The money and thus recruits will follow the NIL and ratings.

 

[Deep Creek]

100%, NY/Jersey market, Baltimore/DC market and it paid off for the BIG. On field performance had nothing to do with it at that time, ask WVU.

Now, the markets don’t mean quite as much now days with the newer medias but they do matter when weighing potential expansion targets.

Yep. The new market isn’t how many cable subscribers in a geographic location. Now it is more about how well a team can attract viewership regardless of “footprint”. And neither is how good their football team is.

Even that doesn’t apply to the Big 12. They just had to get some more teams regardless of viewership or football quality. The only one that brings any significant viewership is BYU. Houston doesn’t even bring the Houston market. It is full of Longhorn and Aggie faithful. Hell, there are probably more Red Raider, Horned Frog, Baylor, etc fans in Houston than Cougar ones!

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I think you are delusional there.

Cincinnati
UCF
BYU

All decent pickups and better than any of the choices I have seen mentioned for the PAC. You have a decent argument with the pickup of Houston so I'll give you that one.

Agreed .... one has NC, another made the CFP, and the third has a huge alumni base in a great recruiting state and has a NC (cough, cough). Not sure about Houston, but those three were pretty good gets IMO.

 

[CoalTrain]

There is some good money to be made by simply making the tournament. The Big 12 may be thinking it's more likely to get more money from the likes of Arizona, Uconn, Memphis and Gonzaga making deep runs in the tournament than it is if an available school makes the CFP.

No question that’s what they are doing imo.
Get as much money from anywhere they can because they are gonna need it, as well as anyone else not named SEC/BIG.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If the P2 gets the ACC on board it’s over. There isn’t anything the B12 can do. The money and thus recruits will follow the NIL and ratings.

Football sure.

If the P2 isn’t allowed in the March tourney it’ll hurt. Now I’m not sure that’s even possible but if other conferences are excluded form the football playoffs there is zero incentive to let the P2 into basketball ones.

 

[OlyDuck]

You're the only one that thinks this. They are a huge CBB brand. The last 40 years they are a top 15 program and that's despite somewhat underachieving in the tournament relative to their regular seasons.

Questioning why they are considered historic with their 1 ncaa baskeball tourney championship. Same amout as oregon, utah, cal, stanford who all won theirs before arizona which would make them more historic?
Mens basketaball historic programs are UCLA, NC, DUKE, kentucky, indiana, uconn.
I mean even nc state and ok state have more championships than arizona does.

 

[ericd7633]

Questioning why they are considered historic with their 1 ncaa baskeball tourney championship. Same amout as oregon, utah, cal, stanford who all won theirs before arizona which would make them more historic?
Mens basketaball historic programs are UCLA, NC, DUKE, kentucky, indiana, UConn.
I mean even nc state and ok state have more championships than Arizona does.

San Francisco also has more than AZ, but nobody would consider them a historically great program. All those programs you mentioned won in like the 1940's, who really gives a shit about that. It's like saying that makes Army football relevant. AZ is a huge brand, one of the 10 biggest in the sport. They obviously aren't Duke, NC, UK, KU, IU or UCLA, but they are definitely in a tier below those schools.

 

[OlyDuck]

San Francisco also has more than AZ, but nobody would consider them a historically great program. All those programs you mentioned won in like the 1940's, who really gives a shit about that. It's like saying that makes Army football relevant. AZ is a huge brand, one of the 10 biggest in the sport. They obviously aren't Duke, NC, UK, KU, IU or UCLA, but they are definitely in a tier below those schools.

again my question was why would they be considered historical?