Phil Knight Cold Calling The SEC and B1G

Not really. The LA television market adds about $20 million per year to the B1Gs revenue. With the next contract that will almost be a rounding error. They took USC because they have the potential to add to their TV deal, they could generate very large 4 million viewer games (although they haven't in the past decade), and they might add CFP money if they get back to their glory. The LA market helps to justify USC and UCLA, but not as much as you think .
It is the 2nd largest television market in the country. The B1G just brought on the two teams which are responsible for the overwhelming majority of the market share in LA.
It is the same reason we added Rutgers for the NY market, but instead of a throw in team, USC is a blue blood and UCLA is still a national brand.

I don't see how it wouldn't help tremendously adding them to the conference? I guess we won't know until the numbers are out on the television deals, but adding road games in the Rose Bowl and Colosseum is only going to make the deal they demand even higher. And the ratings for those games will be thru the roof, as it will be new matchups -- same as it will be any time Texas or OU plays a SEC power. Stations will be salivating to get a piece of that action.

And you think adding the 2nd largest television market is going to only add $20 million to the television rights? I could see if we added two bottom feeders, but USC and UCLA are national brands.
 
Why, sure. Fly yer colors, man.
I don't really go crazy with that stuff. It is quite easy to know who my team is when I have conservations.

I'm just quite a bit more realistic than most UM fans who like to believe we can compete with OSU on a yearly basis, while they sign two dozen of the top 150 recruits, while UM signs one or two and a bunch of kids with good grades😂
 
It is the 2nd largest television market in the country. The B1G just brought on the two teams which are responsible for the overwhelming majority of the market share in LA.
It is the same reason we added Rutgers for the NY market, but instead of a throw in team, USC is a blue blood and UCLA is still a national brand.

I don't see how it wouldn't help tremendously adding them to the conference? I guess we won't know until the numbers are out on the television deals, but adding road games in the Rose Bowl and Colosseum is only going to make the deal they demand even higher. And the ratings for those games will be thru the roof, as it will be new matchups -- same as it will be any time Texas or OU plays a SEC power. Stations will be salivating to get a piece of that action.

And you think adding the 2nd largest television market is going to only add $20 million to the television rights? I could see if we added two bottom feeders, but USC and UCLA are national brands.
It adds $20 million a year, that's it. A lot has happened to basic cable since 2014, like they lost half their subscribers. Also, Rutgers was a way bigger deal ... the B1G picked up New Jersey and more importantly the entire state of New York with Rutgers. Markets have zero to do with being blue-blood or not ... just being there is all that counts. Hence, Rutgers.

I didn't say it wouldn't add money to the pie. The question is does it add $200 million to the pie. I doubt that unless USC gets back to the USC of old, which they might do. UCLA has a lot longer way to go. As for TX and OU, they already have high ratings, especially OU. USC and UCLA do not. In other words, UT and OU drive their own TV numbers so when you add in Bama, UGA, AU, LSU, ATM, UF, and the top TV viewership teams of the SEC, you get a huge multiplier you don't get with USC and UCLA.

The number of people watching will be more from the existing B1G teams, not USC and UCLA. UCLA's biggest game in a decade was the LSU v. UCLA game, and it was because of LSU, not UCLA. Don't get me wrong ... tOSU v. USC/UCLA will be watched big. As will UM and PSU. It will drop dramatically after that. No one will care about Purdue v. UCLA, or even Wisky v. UCLA or Iowa v. UCLA. Nor for that matter, USC v. Purdue. Whereas at least OU and TX fans will watch OU v. Vandy, or TX v. USCjr.

I know it is going to add $20 million. Or at least that is what this article says and it's pretty detailed.

So a way to calculate a conservative UCLA-USC impact for LA is as follows: keep the in-footprint and out-of-footprint fee estimates at $1 and $0.39, assume that BTN will receive a similar percentage of penetration in LA as it does nationally (54.3/122.4=42.7 percent), and assume that that 42.7 percent all already had BTN at the out-of-market price (so going from $0.39 to $1). That gives 42.7 percent home penetration * 5.73 million homes = 2.45 million homes, which multiplied by $0.61 is $1.49 million extra per month, or $17.9 million extra per year.

I was being generous when I said $20 million.

 
I think it's obvious that existing dead weight is different from paying to have new dead weight, right?

Example, using $100 Million to keep the math easy:

14 B1G schools each getting $100 million. Conference gets $1.4 billion per year.

Bring in USC who can generate $100 million extra, UCLA who can only generate $50 million. Conference now has 16 teams and $15.5 billion in revenue.

Each team now gets $96.875 million. That just cost each team $3.125 million per year to bring un UCLA. My guess is they see UCLA has some long term potential, and maybe you only get USC if you also have to get UCLA.

You haven't responded to my other post about why the Vandy's of the world exist. I'd like to get your take on that.
I thought I responded to that but my memory ain't real swift. My bad if I didn't.

Yes, I agree, someone has to be at the bottom and if the usuals aren't there, others will take their place. So they get a ton of money for being the punching bag. Sounds exactly what happens when schools pay my Miners a lot of money to come in and take our ass whoopin'. They just get a whole lot more.

However, at the end of the day, dead weight is dead weight. 200 year old dead weight weighs the same as 20 year old dead weight. But that's just my thinking. It obviously isn't the thinking of conference schools willing to carry that dead weight. Well, except Texas, OU and USC. They got tired of carrying the same old dead weight so they changed in order to carry some new dead weight. And they have a lot of help carrying those new ones.
 
I'm a Michigan fan. Everyone here knows that. I didn't realize I had to post an avy to be part of the club😂
Do you have an avi of a Wolverine bouncing on his head like a pogo stick similar to the one Cornhusker fan that shall go unmentioned uses?
 
Hopefully Kevin Warren is on the phone trying to swing a deal to swap Nebraska for Oregon

Weak distraction, but that's not going to happen. Which further proves your raging stupidity.

I'm confused as to who isn't raising up by moving to the B1G? USC? The Big 12 teams were already getting $30 million a year less than B1G teams WITH USC and UCLA.

"USC and UCLA are in the Big 12" - WhoPhoneDis (a.k.a. TrustMeIAmRight)

DERRRRRRR!!!
 
Outside the CFP, the Rose Bowl has the highest payout, I believe. I don't know if the PAC team really matters. How long has it been since USC or UCLA has Played in it?
USC played in a great one a few years ago, I think. Yup 2017 v. PSU.
 
Weak distraction, but that's not going to happen. Which further proves your raging stupidity.



"USC and UCLA are in the Big 12" - WhoPhoneDis (a.k.a. TrustMeIAmRight)

DERRRRRRR!!!
It is a shame it won't happen. It'd be a huge win for the B1G though if it did. As you know more than most -- Nebraska has been a flop in the B1G. Hell -- it'd be a win for the Nebraska -- they'd get to play more teams they have a chance to beat more often and their AD won't complain about their schedule being too tough anymore :)
 
It is a shame it won't happen. It'd be a huge win for the B1G though if it did. As you know more than most -- Nebraska has been a flop in the B1G. Hell -- it'd be a win for the Nebraska -- they'd get to play more teams they have a chance to beat more often and their AD won't complain about their schedule being too tough anymore :)
Lol I see Michigan fans are pretty cocky now after finally doing something last year. Congrats on finally finishing above 3rd in your division. Too bad you still don’t have a legit championship since wore leather helmets.
 
Lol I see Michigan fans are pretty cocky now after finally doing something last year. Congrats on finally finishing above 3rd in your division. Too bad you still don’t have a legit championship since wore leather helmets.
I'm nothing like the homer Michigan fans -- I know the ceiling UM has in today's CFB. Last year was an anomaly, not the norm. UM couldn't recruit like OSU even before we decided to take a backseat with the NIL deals. We couldn't recruit like OSU before our administration decided the only players we can take in the portal are grad transfers with a clean academic slate, because they won't accept credits from other schools. It is only going to get worse unless the administration gets out of the way and goes all in with NIL -- thats our ONLY shot to compete with OSU in recruiting (opening the enormous booster wallet they have access to)

I just like having fun with Red Alert, because he can't grasp the reality that CFB and recruiting is COMPLETELY different than the 80's and 90's and in today's game, Nebraska is light years behind the elite programs in recruiting and have little to no shot of ever catching up because of their location.

I honestly don't have anything personal against Nebraska -- they have some of the nicest fans to come to UM games. I'd love to see some sort of competitive balance in the B1G and nationally, but when the same 4-5 teams get the overwhelming majority of 5 star recruits and the majority of the top 100-150 recruits -- it is an uphill battle.
 
I'm nothing like the homer Michigan fans -- I know the ceiling UM has in today's CFB. Last year was an anomaly, not the norm. UM couldn't recruit like OSU even before we decided to take a backseat with the NIL deals. We couldn't recruit like OSU before our administration decided the only players we can take in the portal are grad transfers with a clean academic slate, because they won't accept credits from other schools. It is only going to get worse unless the administration gets out of the way and goes all in with NIL -- thats our ONLY shot to compete with OSU in recruiting (opening the enormous booster wallet they have access to)

I just like having fun with Red Alert, because he can't grasp the reality that CFB and recruiting is COMPLETELY different than the 80's and 90's and in today's game, Nebraska is light years behind the elite programs in recruiting and have little to no shot of ever catching up because of their location.

I honestly don't have anything personal against Nebraska -- they have some of the nicest fans to come to UM games. I'd love to see some sort of competitive balance in the B1G and nationally, but when the same 4-5 teams get the overwhelming majority of 5 star recruits and the majority of the top 100-150 recruits -- it is an uphill battle.
Damn. Ruining all the fun being all sensible and shit. What kind of Michigan fan are you?!
 
It adds $20 million a year, that's it. A lot has happened to basic cable since 2014, like they lost half their subscribers. Also, Rutgers was a way bigger deal ... the B1G picked up New Jersey and more importantly the entire state of New York with Rutgers. Markets have zero to do with being blue-blood or not ... just being there is all that counts. Hence, Rutgers.

I didn't say it wouldn't add money to the pie. The question is does it add $200 million to the pie. I doubt that unless USC gets back to the USC of old, which they might do. UCLA has a lot longer way to go. As for TX and OU, they already have high ratings, especially OU. USC and UCLA do not. In other words, UT and OU drive their own TV numbers so when you add in Bama, UGA, AU, LSU, ATM, UF, and the top TV viewership teams of the SEC, you get a huge multiplier you don't get with USC and UCLA.

The number of people watching will be more from the existing B1G teams, not USC and UCLA. UCLA's biggest game in a decade was the LSU v. UCLA game, and it was because of LSU, not UCLA. Don't get me wrong ... tOSU v. USC/UCLA will be watched big. As will UM and PSU. It will drop dramatically after that. No one will care about Purdue v. UCLA, or even Wisky v. UCLA or Iowa v. UCLA. Nor for that matter, USC v. Purdue. Whereas at least OU and TX fans will watch OU v. Vandy, or TX v. USCjr.

I know it is going to add $20 million. Or at least that is what this article says and it's pretty detailed.

So a way to calculate a conservative UCLA-USC impact for LA is as follows: keep the in-footprint and out-of-footprint fee estimates at $1 and $0.39, assume that BTN will receive a similar percentage of penetration in LA as it does nationally (54.3/122.4=42.7 percent), and assume that that 42.7 percent all already had BTN at the out-of-market price (so going from $0.39 to $1). That gives 42.7 percent home penetration * 5.73 million homes = 2.45 million homes, which multiplied by $0.61 is $1.49 million extra per month, or $17.9 million extra per year.

I was being generous when I said $20 million.

Lets be honest UCLA vs any big 10 team on avg isnt exciting anyone.
USC right now not all that exciting either tho they would try to sell it as such. maybe by the time they are in the Big Ten they will be back up and not a 4 win team
 
Lets be honest UCLA vs any big 10 team on avg isnt exciting anyone.
USC right now not all that exciting either tho they would try to sell it as such. maybe by the time they are in the Big Ten they will be back up and not a 4 win team
You aren't suggesting USC wasn't the highest value target in the Pac are you? And there was a lot of reasons for the packaged deal, but UCLA also was quite high in added value for the conference. When you package them together there were no other two that would have added as much.
 
Lets be honest UCLA vs any big 10 team on avg isnt exciting anyone.
USC right now not all that exciting either tho they would try to sell it as such. maybe by the time they are in the Big Ten they will be back up and not a 4 win team
I agree with UCLA, not so much with USC. You hate them, I get it. I hated them when they were good in the early 00s because their bandwagon fans were insufferable. That said, USC simply has a swag about them that matters. It's LA, it's Hollywood. They have hot dancing girls (even though your Oregon Duck cheerleaders and dancers are about as hot as they get). USC against tOSU/UM/PSU is must-watch football.
 
I agree with UCLA, not so much with USC. You hate them, I get it. I hated them when they were good in the early 00s because their bandwagon fans were insufferable. That said, USC simply has a swag about them that matters. It's LA, it's Hollywood. They have hot dancing girls (even though your Oregon Duck cheerleaders and dancers are about as hot as they get). USC against tOSU/UM/PSU is must-watch football.
Even USC vs Illinois or USC vs Maryland etc is more "must watch" than Illinois vs Maryland. Same for other conferences. Bama vs South Carolina or Bama vs Kentucky will draw more viewers than South Carolina vs Kentucky. The brand brings more eyeballs....even when the brand sucks. Maybe not as many when they suck, but still more than two "non brands".
 
Not likely. Two just jumped ship. Pretty sure another 6 or so also want out (see “in negotiations”).

And 2 are jumping ship from the Big 12. Both conferences are in the same boat and likely need to form some kind of partnership or merger to remain viable.
 
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