Tennessee Being Investigated for NIL Violations

fishinabarrel said:
You can't directly pay football players because of Title IX. It will never happen
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I actually think we are headed in that direction as there isn’t another viable solution.

My guess is that it would be based on some type of profit sharing with minimum draws throughout the year. Athletes would have to be under contract with transfer rules in place. NIL would still exist so no player would be limited to making money outside of that contract but the need for collectives would go away.

It won’t be an easy thing to implement but I don’t see another alternative to something like that or we end up in pure chaos which we are quickly approaching.

 
Wild Turkey said:
I actually think we are headed in that direction as there isn’t another viable solution.

My guess is that it would be based on some type of profit sharing with minimum draws throughout the year. Athletes would have to be under contract with transfer rules in place. NIL would still exist so no player would be limited to making money outside of that contract but the need for collectives would go away.

It won’t be an easy thing to implement but I don’t see another alternative to something like that or we end up in pure chaos which we are quickly approaching.
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There's a lot that would have to be worked out by the courts -- but head basketball mens and womens coaches do not make the same amount of money.

My guess is that they would base it based on sports revenue. You get X percent of X sport's revenue in your employment contract. So they'd be getting the same percentage, but paid significantly different based on sport.
 
lol at the fag crying to the mods because WT made a better thread. Just like an OSU fan to snitch.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
There's a lot that would have to be worked out by the courts -- but head basketball mens and womens coaches do not make the same amount of money.

My guess is that they would base it based on sports revenue. You get X percent of X sport's revenue in your employment contract. So they'd be getting the same percentage, but paid significantly different based on sport.
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Coaches aren't students so that's not a legit comparison. There would be so much shit they have to figure and so many people bitching along the way
 
fishinabarrel said:
Coaches aren't students so that's not a legit comparison. There would be so much shit they have to figure and so many people bitching along the way
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If schools had to start paying players as employees, you can kiss goodbye a ton of more ancillary sports like soccer, rowing, fencing, lacrosse, golf, and at some schools probably baseball/softball and basketball. If you're going to categorize student athletes as employees, athletic departments will start functioning like corporations and cut off the sports that are losing money.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Coaches aren't students so that's not a legit comparison. There would be so much shit they have to figure and so many people bitching along the way
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....but that doesn't matter if this lawsuit does what they're trying to do. The "student" portion of this really doesn't matter and title IX isn't really about students specifically; it's really about schools that receive federal funding. And it impacts sports specifically because sports are often limited specifically by gender. Which is where comparing the number of gender specific student athletes and sports came to be.

It doesn't impact PAY of employees in the same way. Think -- grad students, who are in grad student unions. That's what athletes will become, they'll become part of a union in the same way grad students are.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
....but that doesn't matter if this lawsuit does what they're trying to do. The "student" portion of this really doesn't matter and title IX isn't really about students specifically; it's really about schools that receive federal funding. And it impacts sports specifically because sports are often limited specifically by gender. Which is where comparing the number of gender specific student athletes and sports came to be.

It doesn't impact PAY of employees in the same way. Think -- grad students, who are in grad student unions. That's what athletes will become, they'll become part of a union in the same way grad students are.
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The problem with your logic is it brings us back to the matter of "Which teams gets how much money and which players get how much money". No reason at all the men's archery team should be making as much as the football team, but that's where we'd be. Similarly, you think the starting QB will be happy making the same as the 4th string LG? Not gonna happen.
 
Across The Field said:
The problem with your logic is it brings us back to the matter of "Which teams gets how much money and which players get how much money". No reason at all the men's archery team should be making as much as the football team, but that's where we'd be. Similarly, you think the starting QB will be happy making the same as the 4th string LG? Not gonna happen.
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That's what will have to play out, but again, men's basketball coach doesn't get paid the same as the women's -- even with title IX in place.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Title IX applies to coaches as well, and they can clearly get paid significantly different amounts; even within the same sport.
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It still doesn't address the main issues though. Take football out of the equations since it's the main moneymaker in college athletics by a mile. How do you decide who makes more between women's rowing and men's gymnastics? Neither generates revenue at all, but you know there will be bitching from either side. Sort of like how WNBA players bitch and moan about their pay even though their sport loses money every single year. The bickering and complaining will never end and (the likely bigger issue) it will end up leading to sports just being cut altogether.
 
Across The Field said:
It still doesn't address the main issues though. Take football out of the equations since it's the main moneymaker in college athletics by a mile. How do you decide who makes more between women's rowing and men's gymnastics? Neither generates revenue at all, but you know there will be bitching from either side. Sort of like how WNBA players bitch and moan about their pay even though their sport loses money every single year. The bickering and complaining will never end and (the likely bigger issue) it will end up leading to sports just being cut altogether.
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Don't know, I'm not sure really anyone is going to care though? They'll work out the details on how they pay star players more.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Don't know, I'm not sure really anyone is going to care though? They'll work out the details on how they pay star players more.
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Well if nobody cares, why would they do it to begin with? The star players are all already being paid (some REALLY paid), so why keep going down this path? The smaller sports largely cost the universities money, so what leg to they have to stand on demanding to be paid?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I think it's more broad than even that, my guess is that this lawsuit at some level is arguing the NCAA has no legal authority to control what public universities do and specifically who they employ -- it goes beyond Tenn's "violations".



NCAA is cooked here IMO. The next step? Players can be employees of the University. IMO.
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I haven't really read up on the lawsuit, but at some point the private entity has to be able to tell its volunteer members, follow our rules or don't be part of our organization. I knew we would get here as soon as each state started passing laws saying that a private entity couldn't penalize one of its members.
 
fishinabarrel said:
You can't directly pay football players because of Title IX. It will never happen
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That's just not true. Title IX doesn't require that all athletes be treated the same. In fact, there are specific parts of it that say the schools don't have to.

Start with the fact that pretty much each school has to offer the same number of scholarships for male and female athletes. Beyond that, do you think they have to have the same facilities, food, trainers, etc., for women's field hockey as they do for football? Of course not. There will be some rational association with the level of revenue generated and what you have to get paid. If everyone gets some basic minimum, then they can pay more to others based on merit, so long as the sole reason they get more is not one is a male, the other female.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I haven't really read up on the lawsuit, but at some point the private entity has to be able to tell its volunteer members, follow our rules or don't be part of our organization. I knew we would get here as soon as each state started passing laws saying that a private entity couldn't penalize one of its members.
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I think that's what we're getting at here. It's too hard for one university to exit the NCAA without self destructing, but it's easy for a university/state to sue the NCAA into non-existence or irrelevance.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I actually think we are headed in that direction as there isn’t another viable solution.

My guess is that it would be based on some type of profit sharing with minimum draws throughout the year. Athletes would have to be under contract with transfer rules in place. NIL would still exist so no player would be limited to making money outside of that contract but the need for collectives would go away.

It won’t be an easy thing to implement but I don’t see another alternative to something like that or we end up in pure chaos which we are quickly approaching.
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I agree. It's the only way. The direct pay will have to go along with collective bargaining so that the schools are top down imposing rules on the players. Once the players agree to limits on transfers, as an example, then they can't complain and won't be able to sue. Nor will the state AGs.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
That's just not true. Title IX doesn't require that all athletes be treated the same. In fact, there are specific parts of it that say the schools don't have to.

Start with the fact that pretty much each school has to offer the same number of scholarships for male and female athletes. Beyond that, do you think they have to have the same facilities, food, trainers, etc., for women's field hockey as they do for football? Of course not. There will be some rational association with the level of revenue generated and what you have to get paid. If everyone gets some basic minimum, then they can pay more to others based on merit, so long as the sole reason they get more is not one is a male, the other female.
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I'm not saying they have to be paid equally but they will have to be paid. There isnt enough in almost all college budgets to do that. I just read an article this morning saying Ole Miss women's basketball lost 8.3 million dollars last year.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I think that's what we're getting at here. It's too hard for one university to exit the NCAA without self destructing, but it's easy for a university/state to sue the NCAA into non-existence or irrelevance.
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The schools are the NCAA. At some point all the other schools say to the cheaters, fuck you. Do you really think the schools that are doing it right, assuming there are any, like what UTjr is doing? Again, this is a voluntary membership. You don't have to be in the NCAA. But, if you are, you have to follow their rules.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I agree. It's the only way. The direct pay will have to go along with collective bargaining so that the schools are top down imposing rules on the players. Once the players agree to limits on transfers, as an example, then they can't complain and won't be able to sue. Nor will the state AGs.
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If they go direct pay then I wouldn't think they are going to be tied to schools for very long. It will just develop into a minor league system.
 
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