Tennessee Being Investigated for NIL Violations

The schools are the NCAA. At some point all the other schools say to the cheaters, fuck you. Do you really think the schools that are doing it right, assuming there are any, like what UTjr is doing? Again, this is a voluntary membership. You don't have to be in the NCAA. But, if you are, you have to follow their rules.
They are, but this lawsuit it by the states.

And sure -- schools collectively control the NCAA. The problem is that Tennessee can't just leave the NCAA because they'd be cut off from everything; including all their revenue. So to protect their revenue, this is the alternate route.
 
I'm not saying they have to be paid equally but they will have to be paid. There isnt enough in almost all college budgets to do that. I just read an article this morning saying Ole Miss women's basketball lost 8.3 million dollars last year.
Sure there is ... don't pay administrators as much. Don't pay coaches as much. Don't spend as much money on other things. Every business has to budget their expenses except college sports which says, "nah, we aren't going to pay our labor." You see how stupid that sounds. No, pay the labor a fair rate, and then find other areas to cut your expenses.
 
If they go direct pay then I wouldn't think they are going to be tied to schools for very long. It will just develop into a minor league system.
It already is a minor league system. And, yes, I am going to sign my 5* to a four year deal and pay them better, and my 3* to a shorter term deal. Or, in a CBA, they will set some sort of salary structure. No one said it would be easy, but it has to be done.
 
They are, but this lawsuit it by the states.

And sure -- schools collectively control the NCAA. The problem is that Tennessee can't just leave the NCAA because they'd be cut off from everything; including all their revenue. So to protect their revenue, this is the alternate route.
Sure, but the states are suing based on anti-trust. Plus, my first reaction is that I am not sure how successful the states are going to be. Again, a private entity can have rules that if a member agrees to them they have to follow. Now, if the rules violate federal law, then something should happen. Like paying the labor directly.
 
Sure there is ... don't pay administrators as much. Don't pay coaches as much. Don't spend as much money on other things. Every business has to budget their expenses except college sports which says, "nah, we aren't going to pay our labor." You see how stupid that sounds. No, pay the labor a fair rate, and then find other areas to cut your expenses.
I can assure you from first-hand experience that they will cut lower level sports teams far before any of this happens.
 
I can assure you from first-hand experience that they will cut lower level sports teams far before any of this happens.
That's fine. My point stands. If school X has $200 million for sports, and another has $25 million for sports, they both have to decide how to best spend it. But at the end of the day, they will have to pay the labor costs. Or be part of a group that isn't for profit, doesn't make a ton of money, and plays for the sake of playing. The players would simply have to agree to that. Example, the Ivy League football players.
 
That's fine. My point stands. If school X has $200 million for sports, and another has $25 million for sports, they both have to decide how to best spend it. But at the end of the day, they will have to pay the labor costs. Or be part of a group that isn't for profit, doesn't make a ton of money, and plays for the sake of playing. The players would simply have to agree to that. Example, the Ivy League football players.
So, some schools would pay players and some wouldn't?
 
So, some schools would pay players and some wouldn't?
Certainly the schools with budgets in the red would struggle to justify paying athletes directly. And that's MOST schools outside of like the 25 wealthiest. Their choice would be to cut almost all sports to fund football, while having just enough women's sports to satisfy Title IX, or not paying them.
 
So, some schools would pay players and some wouldn't?
Sure, it happens now. Ivy league schools don't give scholarships.

It's clear we are going to move to a level where some schools will be all in with paying athletes and others won't be able to. That's what this whole NCAA thing is about with paying athletes directly. Trying to have the same rules for schools that have 30,000 seat stadiums and budgets of $25 million and schools that have 100,000 seat stadiums and $200 million budgets is idiotic.
 
Certainly the schools with budgets in the red would struggle to justify paying athletes directly. And that's MOST schools outside of like the 25 wealthiest. Their choice would be to cut almost all sports to fund football, while having just enough women's sports to satisfy Title IX, or not paying them.
Again, not paying the athletes directly is a choice, not something they can't do. They have chosen not to using the amateur athlete BS to mask their action. They can choose to pay athletes, they just have to re-allocate their money better. Every business has to do that.
 
Sure, it happens now. Ivy league schools don't give scholarships.

It's clear we are going to move to a level where some schools will be all in with paying athletes and others won't be able to. That's what this whole NCAA thing is about with paying athletes directly. Trying to have the same rules for schools that have 30,000 seat stadiums and budgets of $25 million and schools that have 100,000 seat stadiums and $200 million budgets is idiotic.
Ivy's don't offer scholarships, but they offer the largest need-based financial aid programs in the world. Not quite a fair comparison.

Why is it clear that schools will have to go all in on paying athletes? If anything it seems like NIL has calmed that storm quite well. Like I said, if it comes to that, we're simply going to see athletic departments with 6-7 sports teams to manage while a dozen or so sports will simply get cut.
 
Again, not paying the athletes directly is a choice, not something they can't do. They have chosen not to using the amateur athlete BS to mask their action. They can choose to pay athletes, they just have to re-allocate their money better. Every business has to do that.
I'm saying that even if allowed to pay athletes, some schools couldn't afford to.
 
Ivy's don't offer scholarships, but they offer the largest need-based financial aid programs in the world. Not quite a fair comparison.

Why is it clear that schools will have to go all in on paying athletes? If anything it seems like NIL has calmed that storm quite well. Like I said, if it comes to that, we're simply going to see athletic departments with 6-7 sports teams to manage while a dozen or so sports will simply get cut.
Legally, it's a great comparison. A school can have college sports and not have to pay the athletes. The Ivys do it. Other schools could do it, but the players would have to agree and candidly the schools might have to run the operation as a non-profit or something like that.

How do you think NIL calmed the waters? We have 2 AGs that just filed a suit to allow the schools in their states to use NIL as pay for play. NIL was a stupid way for the NCAA to try to not have to pay players.

What's crystal clear is you can't run a billion dollar business and not pay the labor. You also can't enact rules that are anti-competitive without the say of those you are enacting the rules against. A CBA is the only way to resolve all this. The minute the players agree to the rules that are enacted, most of the problems go away. Don't like the transfer portal, have the players sign a 3 year contract. Problem solved. Don't like pay for play NIL, pay the players straight away, and then regulate NIL to be for true commercial transactions only. Etc.
 
I'm saying that even if allowed to pay athletes, some schools couldn't afford to.
Of course ... small schools can't. But small schools aren't the problem. They can carry on like the Ivys and not make any money and not pay their players. But, they can't make a hundred million, pay all that to the coaches and the admins and say, ooposies, we have no money to pay the players.

What you are describing isn't what is happening. What is happening is that the schools don't want to pay the players, or give them a say in what they do. That's BS in today's college sports environment.
 
So you are of the opinion that other schools should be able to reach out to other athletes even if they aren't in the portal and offer them incentives to leave their current school?
Yep.
 
Legally, it's a great comparison. A school can have college sports and not have to pay the athletes. The Ivys do it. Other schools could do it, but the players would have to agree and candidly the schools might have to run the operation as a non-profit or something like that.

How do you think NIL calmed the waters? We have 2 AGs that just filed a suit to allow the schools in their states to use NIL as pay for play. NIL was a stupid way for the NCAA to try to not have to pay players.

What's crystal clear is you can't run a billion dollar business and not pay the labor. You also can't enact rules that are anti-competitive without the say of those you are enacting the rules against. A CBA is the only way to resolve all this. The minute the players agree to the rules that are enacted, most of the problems go away. Don't like the transfer portal, have the players sign a 3 year contract. Problem solved. Don't like pay for play NIL, pay the players straight away, and then regulate NIL to be for true commercial transactions only. Etc.
Legally it'd be a great comparison if each Ivy school wasn't going out of their way to ensure that the overwhelming majority of their student athletes weren't also going to school for free just like at non-Ivys. It's the same outcome with a different label.

Again, you can't compare each university to a billion dollar business because they simply don't run the same. Also, as I said, this would ultimately just end up in a scenario where 99.9% of colleges in the country hack their athletic teams down to football only, or maybe just not even offering athletics anymore. Unless you can somehow get the big boys to act like the NBA to the little guys' WNBA and just pay for their shit for them, but we of course know that's not happening either.
 
If schools had to start paying players as employees, you can kiss goodbye a ton of more ancillary sports like soccer, rowing, fencing, lacrosse, golf, and at some schools probably baseball/softball and basketball. If you're going to categorize student athletes as employees, athletic departments will start functioning like corporations and cut off the sports that are losing money.
I would agree in some sports at some schools. Don’t know of wealthy lacrosse players. But I’m pretty sure Scheffler and Spieth would cut checks large enough to keep their beloved Longhorn golf program going.
 
I would agree in some sports at some schools. Don’t know of wealthy lacrosse players. But I’m pretty sure Scheffler and Spieth would cut checks large enough to keep their beloved Longhorn golf program going.
Oh sure, there would be some outlier sports that are of interest to wealthy donors, but I doubt anyone is saving the women's soccer teams at Ball State or Middle Tennessee, for example.
 
It's literally impossible for any university that wants to be competitive NOT to violate this rule...

"Institutions may direct donor funds to collectives when fundraising, but they may not specify which student-athlete or sport these funds should be directed to."


There's nary a doubt in my mind that Nebraska has violated it.

It's implying 'collectives' are going off on their own recruiting for a school they're raising NIL funds for.
That there's no interaction between the coaches and the collectives on which players said coaches want.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe that.
 
Of course ... small schools can't. But small schools aren't the problem. They can carry on like the Ivys and not make any money and not pay their players. But, they can't make a hundred million, pay all that to the coaches and the admins and say, ooposies, we have no money to pay the players.

What you are describing isn't what is happening. What is happening is that the schools don't want to pay the players, or give them a say in what they do. That's BS in today's college sports environment.
I'm saying that MOST college athletic departments could not afford to directly pay/hire athletes.

What's currently happening is that most schools are working with connected/3rd parties to develop funds outside the budget to pay student athletes. What SOME schools want, usually ones that can afford it, is to be able to directly pay players because it removes almost all of the complexity on their end in terms of staying within the rules.
 
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