To the current CFP, we hardly knew you ...

Let’s be real 4 teams worked and we rarely had 4 that even deserved to be there.
This still makes the regular season more interesting. Too easy to check out of a season if you get one or two losses on your schedule. This also disincentivizes manufacturing wins as a form of risk aversion.
 
This still makes the regular season more interesting. Too easy to check out of a season if you get one or two losses on your schedule. This also disincentivizes manufacturing wins as a form of risk aversion.
I'm losing interest instead of gaining it at this point with CFB.
I don't associate with people who check out on their teams as they are dead to me.
I don't see any teams playing a harder schedule because of an expanded playoff.
 
why is there no doubt? Tenn and Bama were not UGA. Would they beat them? likely but i dont know about running them out the the building
Alabama throttled Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl. That's the KSU that beat TCU in the conf champ game. Our players were literally eating wings at half time. Any of the 4 top SEC schools would have crushed TCU. Again, look at how they beat UM ... they couldn't have been luckier.
 
Also lol of course the SEC wants a 8 team playoff with no conference championship requirement.
The logic here is sound. The SEC has stated they are fine with 4. That doesn't make sense financially ... expansion will happen. So, with 4, they are all at-large spots. If you go to 8, with a 6+2 - that's 6 AQs, 2 at-large, that means there are fewer at-large slots. The SEC said they would not agree to fewer at-large slots. They said they would be glad to go to 12 with 6 AQs because the at-large spots were more numerous, not fewer. Look, Sankey's job is to look after the SEC and he was doing that.
 
Alabama throttled Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl. That's the KSU that beat TCU in the conf champ game. Our players were literally eating wings at half time. Any of the 4 top SEC schools would have crushed TCU. Again, look at how they beat UM ... they couldn't have been luckier.
TCU also beat them in the regular season.
TCU aslo beat Texas by a larger margin than Alabama did.
transitive property doesnt apply to college sports.
otherwise FCS Eastern Kentucky beat Bowling Green who beat Marshall who beat Notre Dame who beat South Carolina who beat Tennessee who beat Bama. so by your logic FCS Eastern Kentucky beats Bama?
 
TCU also beat them in the regular season.
TCU aslo beat Texas by a larger margin than Alabama did.
transitive property doesnt apply to college sports.
otherwise FCS Eastern Kentucky beat Bowling Green who beat Marshall who beat Notre Dame who beat South Carolina who beat Tennessee who beat Bama. so by your logic FCS Eastern Kentucky beats Bama?
hey fukko, we also beat kansas st... 6 years in a row
 
It makes me laugh that people think a 12 team playoff is going to make recruits all of a sudden stop going to the top schools they already go to, "because they will have a chance to win elsewhere!"

Because recruits are going to fall in love with teams like TCU/Cincinnati winning 1 playoff game maybe and then getting bounced hard in the 2nd round.
Cincy didn't win one. TCU wouldn't have if they'd of played tOSU instead of Michigan. TCU matched up much better against Michigan's offense much better than they would have against tOSU's offense...at least IMHO.
 
I'm losing interest instead of gaining it at this point with CFB.
I don't associate with people who check out on their teams as they are dead to me.
I don't see any teams playing a harder schedule because of an expanded playoff.
Well people are risk averse to it. There less risk so you don’t have to beat up on FCS scrubs ( nobody wants to pay to watch that either).
 
Alabama throttled Kansas State in the Sugar Bowl. That's the KSU that beat TCU in the conf champ game. Our players were literally eating wings at half time. Any of the 4 top SEC schools would have crushed TCU. Again, look at how they beat UM ... they couldn't have been luckier.
Or maybe Michigan wasn't that good? TCU won games like the Michigan game all season. They didn't beat anyone very bad....sans Oklahoma and Iowa State. Looks to me like Michigan was very similar to the rest of TCU's opponents.

Oklahoma 55-24
Kansas 38-31
Oklahoma State 43-40
Kansas State 38-28
West Virginia 41-31
Texas Tech 34-24
Texas 17-10
Baylor 29-28
Iowa State 62-14

Kansas State 28-31 (OT) 3 point loss

Michigan 51-45
 
It makes me laugh that people think a 12 team playoff is going to make recruits all of a sudden stop going to the top schools they already go to, "because they will have a chance to win elsewhere!"

Because recruits are going to fall in love with teams like TCU/Cincinnati winning 1 playoff game maybe and then getting bounced hard in the 2nd round.
No one is thinking or saying that. What they/we are saying is that "some" will go to other schools. It's already happening. At the end of this recruiting cycle, you will see, I believe, that the top 3 schools will be the ones that are normally there. But you will see (1) that the top recruiting points will be lower overall, and (2) some schools sneaking into the top 10 that haven't been there in a while.

We are going to have the number 1 class, but we were about to hit 3300 points on Rivals. Maybe 3400. Then Bolden went to FSU, we had a decommit go to Auburn, and another go to UCF. Then Narwani goes to Mizzou, and it looks like Wingo might go to Mizzou. You guys lost a 5* to USCjr, of all teams. We will still have the number 1 class, but it's going to be 200-300 points lower than it looked earlier in the year. Normally 3-4 teams are over 3000 points and this year it's going to be 1 or 2 at most - UGA and your team. I really think this because NIL and soon the expanded CFP are going to move a dozen or more good players elsewhere. I hate it for UGA but love it for CFB.

Look, the top 4-5 teams will always be there, but they will cycle more. I hope that we can stay on top for a long time, but I also know that NIL, expanded CFP, and the transfer portal should drive some parity.
 
Or maybe Michigan wasn't that good? TCU won games like the Michigan game all season. They didn't beat anyone very bad....sans Oklahoma and Iowa State. Looks to me like Michigan was very similar to the rest of TCU's opponents.

Oklahoma 55-24
Kansas 38-31
Oklahoma State 43-40
Kansas State 38-28
West Virginia 41-31
Texas Tech 34-24
Texas 17-10
Baylor 29-28
Iowa State 62-14

Kansas State 28-31 (OT) 3 point loss

Michigan 51-45
I am not saying UM was great, but they did beat a good tOSU team. But look at what had to happen for TCU to barely beat UM.

Yuck, I am defending Michigan.
 
I am not saying UM was great, but they did beat a good tOSU team. But look at what had to happen for TCU to barely beat UM.

Yuck, I am defending Michigan.

georgia barely beat tOSU which beat Michigan.

all 4 teams deserved it and on any given day.

I think Michigan would have played Georgia better in the championship game that night.
 
georgia barely beat tOSU which beat Michigan.

all 4 teams deserved it and on any given day.

I think Michigan would have played Georgia better in the championship game that night.
This is one of those threads where we are getting way away from the original discission. Here is how my posting started:

Let’s be real 4 teams worked and we rarely had 4 that even deserved to be there.
But did it? I would contend that all we have to do is go back to last year - Bama or UTjr would have been a better team than TCU. In a 12 team playoff, no way TCU wins 4 in a row. You guys would have been in the CFP in 2018 when we beat you guys in the SECCG. Wouldn't you have liked that opportunity? That's what it's about ... giving more access, even if the same 4-6 teams will win most of them, with that 4-6 cycling in and out.

I am not saying that TCU didn't belong. They did. What I was saying is that a 12 team CFP would also have had Bama, UTjr, and a couple other really good teams in it. I am thinking in that case TCU wouldn't have gotten out of the first round. I am disagreeing with the idea that a 4 team CFP works ... to me it didn't work last year to the extent that teams I think would have been more competitive than TCU did not get in.
 
No one is thinking or saying that. What they/we are saying is that "some" will go to other schools. It's already happening. At the end of this recruiting cycle, you will see, I believe, that the top 3 schools will be the ones that are normally there. But you will see (1) that the top recruiting points will be lower overall, and (2) some schools sneaking into the top 10 that haven't been there in a while.

We are going to have the number 1 class, but we were about to hit 3300 points on Rivals. Maybe 3400. Then Bolden went to FSU, we had a decommit go to Auburn, and another go to UCF. Then Narwani goes to Mizzou, and it looks like Wingo might go to Mizzou. You guys lost a 5* to USCjr, of all teams. We will still have the number 1 class, but it's going to be 200-300 points lower than it looked earlier in the year. Normally 3-4 teams are over 3000 points and this year it's going to be 1 or 2 at most - UGA and your team. I really think this because NIL and soon the expanded CFP are going to move a dozen or more good players elsewhere. I hate it for UGA but love it for CFB.

Look, the top 4-5 teams will always be there, but they will cycle more. I hope that we can stay on top for a long time, but I also know that NIL, expanded CFP, and the transfer portal should drive some parity.

I have seen people here say that. Not in this thread, but it has been said.

These kids arent going to other schools because of expanded playoff though. It's mostly because of NIL.

For the most part though the upper end kids are going to mostly still end up at the schools they woulda likely ended up at in the past before NIL/Expansion anyways. Obviously there will be a few more exceptions. But it wills stay largely the same.
 
Will be VERY interesting to see how many of these guys who took pretty big NIL deals to go to lesser schools end up transferring to a upper level school after a year or two.
 
Or maybe Michigan wasn't that good? TCU won games like the Michigan game all season. They didn't beat anyone very bad....sans Oklahoma and Iowa State. Looks to me like Michigan was very similar to the rest of TCU's opponents.

Oklahoma 55-24
Kansas 38-31
Oklahoma State 43-40
Kansas State 38-28
West Virginia 41-31
Texas Tech 34-24
Texas 17-10
Baylor 29-28
Iowa State 62-14

Kansas State 28-31 (OT) 3 point loss

Michigan 51-45

The thing with Michigan is that they are pretty much exclusively built to beat Ohio State and win the B1G

Problem is that build probably is not going to win them national titles.

They are good but they just don't have the umph to win 2 playoff games the way they are currently built.

I was very surprised they lost to TCU still though. Thought theyd beat them then get pantsed by UGA again.
 
Also when it comes to the transfer portal im still more on the line of thinking that it hurts the mid-lower level schools more than it helps.
 
I have seen people here say that. Not in this thread, but it has been said.

These kids arent going to other schools because of expanded playoff though. It's mostly because of NIL.

For the most part though the upper end kids are going to mostly still end up at the schools they woulda likely ended up at in the past before NIL/Expansion anyways. Obviously there will be a few more exceptions. But it wills stay largely the same.
Seeing how the CFP hasn't expanded, I agree with you. It's NIL for now. I do think that once 12 teams get in every year that will continue to spread the talent some. I think the best thing for CFB is to see about 15 - 20 teams that over a decade can get close to or win the NC. Nothing I would rather see than UGA three-peat and then win a bunch like Satan did at Bama. But, I think the portal, NIL, and the expanded CFP will mean we can be at the top for a while, but that a lot of other teams will be there competing. That would be better for CFB.
 
Also when it comes to the transfer portal im still more on the line of thinking that it hurts the mid-lower level schools more than it helps.
FSU will be a good example this year. Their best players are all transfers. Same with USC for the most part.
 
FSU will be a good example this year. Their best players are all transfers. Same with USC for the most part.

I'd still consider FSU and USC to be somewhat "upper level programs" even though they have not had very recent great success.

It will benefit those types of teams who arent quite there but not too far away. (Like FSU and USC)

But the true mid-low level schools its going to hurt because their best players are likely always going to be looking to climb the ladder.
 
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