tOfficial B1G Thread

[cwerph]

OSU portal additions had a big impact, no doubt, but the revisionist history going on is hilarious.

Alabama was celebrating when Seth entered the portal. Dude went from not being able to snap the ball to Rimington Award winner.

People here were laughing when OSU signed Howard. He had a career completion percentage of around 60%. He said this was the first time he ever was actually coached to play QB and set the record for games with over 80% completion percentage.

Downs was a gift. Thanks, Saban.

People were trying this year to lure OSU players away (Smith, Tate) this year because they are studs. Smith is a freak, but anyone who hasn't seen Tate improve year over year hasn't watched Ohio State. Next up is Innis.

OSU took 6 players in the portal last year. The previous year, high and mighty Michigan took 9. Both won the natty.

This is the way the world works. Catch up or enjoy the view from the back of the pack.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Don't forget McLaughlin. That dude was a beast before he got injured.

Also, despite how crazy good J Smith is, I think Downs is Ohio States best player and he will be the most important next season with all the defensive losses. The guy just always seems to be in the right place

In all honestly -- I think Downs and Jeremiah Smith would go 1-2 in the draft. Downs is SOOOO good.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Downs was an absolute stud, no questions asked, but that defense was anchored entirely by guys developed at OSU. Not sure what would have happened if we didn't have him, but I can guarantee we don't win a title without guys like Sawyer, JTT, Tyleik, Simon, Hancock, Burke, and Ransom balling out, especially in the postseason.

Also I've yet to see you admit how horribly wrong you were about Howard being the unbelievable difference maker he was for us.

Sawyer definitely balled out in the playoffs. Downs balled out all year. Downs is the first game changer Ohio has had on defense since the string of big time DE's they had. He is the one guy on your defense I wish Michigan had. He is always in the right spot and blows up so many plays.

As far as McCord and Howard. You do know McCord finished in the top 10 for the Heisman, while playing with lesser talent and led Syracuse to a 10 win season, something they have had once in the past 20 years, while throwing for 4800 yards and 34 touchdowns. We have no clue what would have happened if McCord was QB at Ohio, but the guy was a stud this year. I will say this though -- If you had McCord, you wouldn't have lost to Michigan.

 

[Across The Field]

Sawyer definitely balled out in the playoffs. Downs balled out all year. Downs is the first game changer Ohio has had on defense since the string of big time DE's they had. He is the one guy on your defense I wish Michigan had. He is always in the right spot and blows up so many plays.

As far as McCord and Howard. You do know McCord finished in the top 10 for the Heisman, while playing with lesser talent and led Syracuse to a 10 win season, something they have had once in the past 20 years, while throwing for 4800 yards and 34 touchdowns. We have no clue what would have happened if McCord was QB at Ohio, but the guy was a stud this year. I will say this though -- If you had McCord, you wouldn't have lost to Michigan.

I'm not sure if you watched the CFP if you're not pointing out JTT blowing up. Dude had 6.5 sacks, 10 TFLs, and 2 PDs in 4 games. He was a game wrecker. Cody Simon also had 38 tackles, 4.5 TFLs and 2 sacks. There were obviously more aside from those two and Sawyer, but you get my point.

You do also know that McCord had 592 pass attempts, which was almost 70 more than anyone else in CFB, and the highest ranked total defense he faced all season was 29th while Howard faced #2, #4, #5, #7, #9, #10, #14, #18, and #23. Think about that - 9 of Howard's 16 games were against better defenses than anyone McCord faced all year. The ACC was flatout trash. Everyone who knows CFB knows that OSU isn't winning a national title with McCord except for michigan fans apparently, though you guys deciding to nut ride him sure is amusing.

 

[Deep Creek]

People here were laughing when OSU signed Howard. He had a career completion percentage of around 60%. He said this was the first time he ever was actually coached to play QB and set the record for games with over 80% completion percentage.

I wasn’t. I thought he was a solid get. He was a gamer at K-State without Ohio State level talent around him.

I call BS on it being the first time he was ever coached to play QB. Kleiman’s crew is solid. Again, it may be the first time he was ever coached with NFL talent supporting him. But that’s a lot different from never being coached.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm not sure if you watched the CFP if you're not pointing out JTT blowing up. Dude had 6.5 sacks, 10 TFLs, and 2 PDs in 4 games. He was a game wrecker. Cody Simon also had 38 tackles, 4.5 TFLs and 2 sacks. There were obviously more aside from those two and Sawyer, but you get my point.

You do also know that McCord had 592 pass attempts, which was almost 70 more than anyone else in CFB, and the highest ranked tot faced all season was 29th while Howard faced #2, #4, #5, #7, #9, #10, #14, #18, and #23. Think about that - 9 of Howard's 16 games were against better defenses than anyone McCord faced all year. The ACC was flatout trash. Everyone who knows CFB knows that OSU isn't winning a national title with McCord except for michigan fans apparently, though you guys deciding to nut ride him sure is amusing.

Your offense dictated the games in the CFP -- you put teams in a spot where they had to pass and your DL played well. Sawyer looked like a completely different player in the CFP than the regular season. Simon was quality for you guys all year, he finally looked like he figured it out this year. JTT I PRAY my Lions don't draft. Just don't think he is going to be anything in the NFL other than a depth piece. Hands down though and it isn't even remotely close -- your best player on defense is Downs. He is your first real game changer on defense since probably Chase Young. You just can't avoid him -- he just makes plays. Very impressed with him.

In regards to McCord, you fail to mention, he played on a team who wouldn't have a single guy who would see the field on Ohio. He wasn't throwing to 1st round NFL WR's, top TE's, top RB's. He also didn't have elite recruits on his offensive line blocking for him. Ohio is vastly more talented than 99% of the teams they play and this year -- they were #1 in blue chip recruits in the nation. Syracuse in the last 25 years has signed 1 five star recruit and 13 four star recruits TOTAL. If an Ohio coach signed a recruiting class with 1 five star and 13 four star guys in ONE year -- they'd be fired. That is 25 years worth of recruits at Syracuse.

If Ohio had McCord this year -- I think they would have run the table. They definitely wouldn't have lost to Michigan.

 

[ericd7633]

I'm not sure if you watched the CFP if you're not pointing out JTT blowing up. Dude had 6.5 sacks, 10 TFLs, and 2 PDs in 4 games. He was a game wrecker. Cody Simon also had 38 tackles, 4.5 TFLs and 2 sacks. There were obviously more aside from those two and Sawyer, but you get my point.

You do also know that McCord had 592 pass attempts, which was almost 70 more than anyone else in CFB, and the highest ranked total defense he faced all season was 29th while Howard faced #2, #4, #5, #7, #9, #10, #14, #18, and #23. Think about that - 9 of Howard's 16 games were against better defenses than anyone McCord faced all year. The ACC was flatout trash. Everyone who knows CFB knows that OSU isn't winning a national title with McCord except for michigan fans apparently, though you guys deciding to nut ride him sure is amusing.

Howard was better in CMP%, YPA, TD/INT ratio, QBR and QB rating.

Top 25 defenses played(defensive efficiency):
Howard - 9
McCord - 1

Sure Howard had Smith and Egbuka, but I'll bet this Cuse offense has 2 WR's, their TE and RB all get drafted.

Howard was also incredible in the CFP.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Don't forget McLaughlin. That dude was a beast before he got injured.

Also, despite how crazy good J Smith is, I think Downs is Ohio States best player and he will be the most important next season with all the defensive losses. The guy just always seems to be in the right place

Did I mention how jealous I am that you have Caleb Downs? Michigan has a very good safety coming back next year, but he isn't at Downs level, even though he has been a two time All-B1G safety. He missed this past year with an injury, but I love having him on our defense as he gets all the guys in the right spot. That is what Downs does, on top of being all over the field making plays.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Howard was better in CMP%, YPA, TD/INT ratio, QBR and QB rating.

Top 25 defenses played(defensive efficiency):
Howard - 9
McCord - 1

Sure Howard had Smith and Egbuka, but I'll bet this Cuse offense has 2 WR's, their TE and RB all get drafted.

Howard was also incredible in the CFP.

Last WR drafted into the NFL from Syracuse was in 2010.
Last TE drafted into the NFL from Syracuse was in 1998.
They have 1 OL drafted into the NFL from Syracuse in the last 10 years.

Again -- it is easy to have better everything when your team is LIGHT YEARS better than almost every team you face and you are throwing to the best skill position talent in all of college.

***edited to add***
The two sites I went to didn't have 2024's drafted players and I don't feel like looking up a third site. But Syracuse has full years where no players are drafted, so I'm guessing the group of recruits with 23 wins in 4 years didn't have a ton of NFL talent.

 

[ericd7633]

Last WR drafted into the NFL from Syracuse was in 2010.
Last TE drafted into the NFL from Syracuse was in 1998.
They have 1 OL drafted into the NFL from Syracuse in the last 10 years.

Again -- it is easy to have better everything when your team is LIGHT YEARS better than almost every team you face and you are throwing to the best skill position talent in all of college.

***edited to add***
The two sites I went to didn't have 2024's drafted players and I don't feel like looking up a third site. But Syracuse has full years where no players are drafted, so I'm guessing the group of recruits with 23 wins in 4 years didn't have a ton of NFL talent.

What's it matter about the Syracuse history in terms of drafted players? This Cuse team will have at least 2 WR's, their TE and RB all get drafted. None of them even played on Cuse in 2023 because of injury or transferring in (except their RB). Considering the competition played, Cuse was more talented than their opposition in every game but 1. Especially from an offensive standpoint going up the defenses they played.

I don't know why I'm arguing though. I'm going to guess you watched zero Cuse games this year.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

What's it matter about the Syracuse history in terms of drafted players? This Cuse team will have at least 2 WR's, their TE and RB all get drafted. None of them even played on Cuse in 2023 because of injury or transferring in (except their RB). Considering the competition played, Cuse was more talented than their opposition in every game but 1. Especially from an offensive standpoint going up the defenses they played.

I don't know why I'm arguing though. I'm going to guess you watched zero Cuse games this year.

Their top WR this year had 129 yards receiving total in 3 years coming into this year. Their #2 WR had 230 yards total in 3 years coming into this year. I will make a full year avatar bet, neither get drafted into the NFL. They may get signed to a practice squad, but they won't be drafted.

 

[ericd7633]

Their top WR this year had 129 yards receiving total in 3 years coming into this year. Their #2 WR had 230 yards total in 3 years coming into this year. I will make a full year avatar bet, neither get drafted into the NFL. They may get signed to a practice squad, but they won't be drafted.

Avatar bets are dumb. How bout if either of them get drafted (Pena is returning for his SR season), you stop posting for a year, if neither gets drafted I'll stop posting for a year.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Avatar bets are dumb. How bout if either of them get drafted (Pena is returning for his SR season), you stop posting for a year, if neither gets drafted I'll stop posting for a year.

We can do a year for each -- Meeks was their top WR -- he is in the draft this year. If he gets drafted, I won't post for a year. If he doesn't, you don't post for a year. Then we can do Pena in the 2026 draft.

 

[ericd7633]

We can do a year for each -- Meeks was their top WR -- he is in the draft this year. If he gets drafted, I won't post for a year. If he doesn't, you don't post for a year. Then we can do Pena in the 2026 draft.

Sounds good to me

 

[Across The Field]

Your offense dictated the games in the CFP -- you put teams in a spot where they had to pass and your DL played well. Sawyer looked like a completely different player in the CFP than the regular season. Simon was quality for you guys all year, he finally looked like he figured it out this year. JTT I PRAY my Lions don't draft. Just don't think he is going to be anything in the NFL other than a depth piece. Hands down though and it isn't even remotely close -- your best player on defense is Downs. He is your first real game changer on defense since probably Chase Young. You just can't avoid him -- he just makes plays. Very impressed with him.

In regards to McCord, you fail to mention, he played on a team who wouldn't have a single guy who would see the field on Ohio. He wasn't throwing to 1st round NFL WR's, top TE's, top RB's. He also didn't have elite recruits on his offensive line blocking for him. Ohio is vastly more talented than 99% of the teams they play and this year -- they were #1 in blue chip recruits in the nation. Syracuse in the last 25 years has signed 1 five star recruit and 13 four star recruits TOTAL. If an Ohio coach signed a recruiting class with 1 five star and 13 four star guys in ONE year -- they'd be fired. That is 25 years worth of recruits at Syracuse.

If Ohio had McCord this year -- I think they would have run the table. They definitely wouldn't have lost to Michigan.

I'm actually with you on JTT. I am very interested in what he measures at the combine/pro day. He isn't exceptionally thick, but he is a freak athlete and is very long. I saw him about a year ago near campus at a restaurant with Caden Curry (starting DE for us in 2025), and Curry looked much bigger. He will be more than a depth piece but I think he needs to be in the right system, where Sawyer is plug and play wherever he ends up.

Having watched substantially more Kyle McCord football than you, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not a good QB. There is a reason why the three starters before him at OSU became first rounders while he ended up having to transfer out, and is only in the draft because the NCAA denied him another year of eligibility. His numbers were a result of a weak schedule and leading the nation in pass attempts by a wide margin. Again, he didn't face a defense that would be considered remotely elite all season. As to your last part, nobody believes you. It's just a lame attempt at a dig against OSU. Howard is a substantially better QB than McCord across the board.

 

[Brutus]

I wouldn't be calling out another program about developing talent. You had to go out and buy your QB, your RB and by far your best defensive player. Hell -- your best offensive player you didn't need to develop either -- he came in built like 5 year NFL vet. Crazy how genetics work -- Jeremiah Smith is NFL ready right now at 18 or 19. He'd be the 1st pick in the NFL draft if he could come out this year. I'm ready to petition the NFL to allow it, so we don't have to see him for two more years.

The Caleb Downs money spent was well worth it though. That guy is a STUD!

1. You don't even watch football

2. Most first round picks of all time. 3rd most drafted players. That's some damn fine player development.

 

[Brutus]

We have no clue what would have happened if McCord was QB at Ohio

If Ohio had McCord this year -- I think they would have run the table. They definitely wouldn't have lost to Michigan.

Okay, the McCord trolling is kinda funny

Anyone who's watched a football game knows tOSU was much better with Howard than McCord. They would also understand the difference in opponent quality.

 

[Across The Field]

Okay, the McCord trolling is kinda funny

Anyone who's watched a football game knows tOSU was much better with Howard than McCord. They would also understand the difference in opponent quality.

The fact that 9 of Howard's 16 games were against teams ranked 23rd or better in total defense in the nation makes his season even that much more incredible. With McCord, there is a very high likelihood we go as bad as 8-4 with losses to Nebraska and PSU. He was so incredibly bad.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm actually with you on JTT. I am very interested in what he measures at the combine/pro day. He isn't exceptionally thick, but he is a freak athlete and is very long. I saw him about a year ago near campus at a restaurant with Caden Curry (starting DE for us in 2025), and Curry looked much bigger. He will be more than a depth piece but I think he needs to be in the right system, where Sawyer is plug and play wherever he ends up.

Having watched substantially more Kyle McCord football than you, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not a good QB. There is a reason why the three starters before him at OSU became first rounders while he ended up having to transfer out, and is only in the draft because the NCAA denied him another year of eligibility. His numbers were a result of a weak schedule and leading the nation in pass attempts by a wide margin. Again, he didn't face a defense that would be considered remotely elite all season. As to your last part, nobody believes you. It's just a lame attempt at a dig against OSU. Howard is a substantially better QB than McCord across the board.

It isn't a dig at Ohio. I said it the very next day after you lost to Michigan. You can look at what each QB did against Michigan's defenses and we were light years better defensively in 2023.

Before you talk about it being the 'game plan' -- Ohio ran the ball more in 2023, than they did in 2024 -- they both were equally ineffective though. And Ohio threw the ball less in 2023, than they did in 2024.

What you don't seem to grasp is -- McCord no longer had 1st round NFL draft picks at multiple WR spots. He no longer had one of the best backfields in CFB. He no longer had NFL draft picks up and down the OL. You keep talking about a weak schedule, yet ignore his weak roster. He no longer had the massive advantage of throwing to NFL talent at every position and handing it off to multiple NFL RB's. If you need to understand the difference -- go look at Will Howard's numbers at KSU and then his one year at Ohio. THAT is what having a massive talent advantage at every position does for a QB.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Okay, the McCord trolling is kinda funny

Anyone who's watched a football game knows tOSU was much better with Howard than McCord. They would also understand the difference in opponent quality.

McCord as a 1st year starter, went into the Big House and almost beat the best team the B1G has seen in forever. He threw for 270 yards and was a last minute drive away from beating Michigan. That was a Michigan team filled with studs in the secondary.

Howard as a 5th year starter, playing at home as a 21 point favorite, he got completely dominated and battered. He threw for 170, with his long pass of the day being a 2 yard swing pass, where the guy ran for 24. With the ball and a chance to win the game against Michigan. Howard went 1 for 4 for 1 yard. His completion being a dump off to the RB.

I will say this -- the opponent quality of 2023 Michigan and 2024 Michigan isn't remotely close.