tOfficial B1G Thread

No, I am saying they are cheating ass cheaters.
There was no cleaner National Champion than the 2023 Michigan team. We won the title without a head coach our last 3 games, without a LB coach our last 6 games, and without our guy who tries stealing signs the last 10 games.

They had a microscope on them and it didn't matter. Only 15-0 B1G national champ ever. We are proud to be the best National Champion the B1G has ever had.
 
The best National Champs list comprises of:
2023 Michigan 15-0
2022 Georgia 15-0
2019 LSU 15-0
2018 Clemson 15-0
 
The 5th year senior that played for entirely different cast of coaches vs. the 3rd year junior in his 3rd year in the program working with the same cast of coaches and players? That wasn't the point you thought it would be.

LOL at your retarded reasoning for McCord leaving. It's very well documented that he left because he wasn't guaranteed the starting spot going into his 4th year. Spewing unfounded bullshit is certainly your thing.

Big difference is, Howard had already gotten an NFL grade when he left KSU and went to a far better program at OSU to try and improve his draft stock. He had that option and didn't need to try and petition the NCAA for it. McCord had to leave OSU to go to a much lesser program because nobody else wanted him and then tried to stay yet again but was denied. LOL at the idea of McCord being drafted "a few rounds ahead of Howard". My god, you're retarded.
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Great write up on Howard's combine performance.

As I said -- McCord will be drafted ahead of Howard.
 
Someone must have been watching a different combine than this video shows. I see one high throw.


He has 5 throws on that video. Go to all the sites where they comment or rank about the QBs and it says the same thing.

His best case scenario is if Chip Kelly convinces Oakland to draft him early.

 
Someone must have been watching a different combine than this video shows. I see one high throw.


The QBs make dozens and dozens of throws. The fact they cut a video for Howard and it included an overthrow should tell you how it went.

Here is NFL.com's write up on Howard. The same NFL.com who put out the video you posted.

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He has 5 throws on that video. Go to all the sites where they comment or rank about the QBs and it says the same thing.

His best case scenario is if Chip Kelly convinces Oakland to draft him early.

I never thought he would be a top-round draft pick. My guess is he is picked in the 4th/5th round. As good as he was, especially in the playoffs, he struggled throwing the ball deep. I am a Browns fan and I hear prominent (as in radio hosts) Buckeye fans advocating for the Browns to take him, saying he fits Stefanski's system perfectly. I don't really see it, but I have rooted for worse.
 
Now you are comparing 30 games of actual experiences as a starting QB to practice reps? Keep those blinders on fan boy.

I'm sure eleven warriors and the columbus dispatch are about as unbiased as yourself. No one blames McCord for leaving though -- he got more money from Syracuse and finished in the top 10 in the Heisman by putting the team on his back and he didn't have to listen to the Ohio fan base. That's a huge win for him.

PLEASE tell me Will Howard's draft grade when he left KSU. His draft grade was -- stay in college because you aren't getting drafted.

I'm going to laugh when McCord is drafted ahead of Howard in the NFL draft.
You are trying to excuse McCord's season at Syracuse because he had subpar talent, yet now you're saying Howard's starts in an equally talentless KSU team matter so much? Typical hypocrisy from you. McCord wasn't guaranteed the starting job and he didn't want to have to compete again so he left. Again, this is very well known.

I honestly can't find info on his draft stock after KSU because everything I search just leads back to the current NFL draft, but it was somewhere in the 4th/5th round from what I remember a year ago. Also you said McCord would be drafted a few rounds ahead of Howard, stand by your words.

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Great write up on Howard's combine performance.

As I said -- McCord will be drafted ahead of Howard.
It wouldn't be shocking if McCord was drafted ahead of Howard. NFL GMs are pretty notoriously stupid around draft time. Brandon Weeden was picked ahead of Russell Wilson, Trubisky went ahead of Mahomes, Brock Purdy was the last QB taken in arguably the worst QB class of all-time, and let's not forget where Tom Brady fell to. Regardless, the play on the field matters most, and Howard was clearly better than McCord. He will also be a better pro.
 
I never thought he would be a top-round draft pick. My guess is he is picked in the 4th/5th round. As good as he was, especially in the playoffs, he struggled throwing the ball deep. I am a Browns fan and I hear prominent (as in radio hosts) Buckeye fans advocating for the Browns to take him, saying he fits Stefanski's system perfectly. I don't really see it, but I have rooted for worse.
He was always going to face an uphill battle considering he will be 24 at the start of his rookie season, and he's obviously not a perfect prospect. That said, there isn't a QB in this class that is going to be ready to come light it up week 1. I'd greatly prefer to see Cleveland take him later in the draft than waste the #2 pick on any other QB though. It's always stupid to focus on the combine alone to evaluate both QBs and WRs since they're working with guys they have no experience with.
 
You are trying to excuse McCord's season at Syracuse because he had subpar talent, yet now you're saying Howard's starts in an equally talentless KSU team matter so much? Typical hypocrisy from you. McCord wasn't guaranteed the starting job and he didn't want to have to compete again so he left. Again, this is very well known.

I honestly can't find info on his draft stock after KSU because everything I search just leads back to the current NFL draft, but it was somewhere in the 4th/5th round from what I remember a year ago. Also you said McCord would be drafted a few rounds ahead of Howard, stand by your words.


It wouldn't be shocking if McCord was drafted ahead of Howard. NFL GMs are pretty notoriously stupid around draft time. Brandon Weeden was picked ahead of Russell Wilson, Trubisky went ahead of Mahomes, Brock Purdy was the last QB taken in arguably the worst QB class of all-time, and let's not forget where Tom Brady fell to. Regardless, the play on the field matters most, and Howard was clearly better than McCord. He will also be a better pro.
Wait a minute -- of course it would be shocking to you if McCord is drafted ahead of Howard. Howard is a WAY better QB and he is mobile and he can make all the throws. McCord is terrible, he is a statue in the pocket and would have lost you multiple games because he wasn't good. Am I getting all your comments right?

You so badly don't want to admit I'm right how Howard simply can't make throws that McCord can, that you are already making the NFL GM's are dumb excuse.

It isn't a secret. IF Howard could make all the throws -- he wouldn't have stayed a 5th year in college. The combine showed you his weaknesses. It wasn't the WRs -- every QB at the combine is throwing to new WRs.
 
You are trying to excuse McCord's season at Syracuse because he had subpar talent, yet now you're saying Howard's starts in an equally talentless KSU team matter so much? Typical hypocrisy from you. McCord wasn't guaranteed the starting job and he didn't want to have to compete again so he left. Again, this is very well known.

I honestly can't find info on his draft stock after KSU because everything I search just leads back to the current NFL draft, but it was somewhere in the 4th/5th round from what I remember a year ago. Also you said McCord would be drafted a few rounds ahead of Howard, stand by your words.


It wouldn't be shocking if McCord was drafted ahead of Howard. NFL GMs are pretty notoriously stupid around draft time. Brandon Weeden was picked ahead of Russell Wilson, Trubisky went ahead of Mahomes, Brock Purdy was the last QB taken in arguably the worst QB class of all-time, and let's not forget where Tom Brady fell to. Regardless, the play on the field matters most, and Howard was clearly better than McCord. He will also be a better pro.
What excuse am I making for McCord's season. The guy finished top 10 in the Heisman and threw for almost 5,000 yards.
 
Wait a minute -- of course it would be shocking to you if McCord is drafted ahead of Howard. Howard is a WAY better QB and he is mobile and he can make all the throws. McCord is terrible, he is a statue in the pocket and would have lost you multiple games because he wasn't good. Am I getting all your comments right?

You so badly don't want to admit I'm right how Howard simply can't make throws that McCord can, that you are already making the NFL GM's are dumb excuse.

It isn't a secret. IF Howard could make all the throws -- he wouldn't have stayed a 5th year in college. The combine showed you his weaknesses. It wasn't the WRs -- every QB at the combine is throwing to new WRs.
It wouldn't be shocking at all. Are you saying NFL GMs get it right all the time? Trubisky was the right pick over Mahomes? Josh Rosen was the right pick over Lamar Jackson? Giovanni Carmazi was the right pick over Brady? I never said McCord was terrible, he's not. He wasn't good enough to be OSU's starter, which is why he left. It also says something that he was a 5* blue chip prospect in his class and Howard was the 882nd rated prospect in his class.

You are leaping to the conclusion that you are right based on dudes throwing passes in gym shorts. If that automatically made you right, Shane Morris would have been an elite QB, but it turns out that really doesn't matter much. I also never said Howard can make all the throws, I said he can make the ones McCord can make. Having watched them both at OSU with the same talent level, there's really no question.

BTW - Brady looked like shit from top to bottom at the 2000 combine.
 
What excuse am I making for McCord's season. The guy finished top 10 in the Heisman and threw for almost 5,000 yards.
Let me refresh your memory:

In regards to McCord, you fail to mention, he played on a team who wouldn't have a single guy who would see the field on Ohio. He wasn't throwing to 1st round NFL WR's, top TE's, top RB's. He also didn't have elite recruits on his offensive line blocking for him.

Their top WR this year had 129 yards receiving total in 3 years coming into this year. Their #2 WR had 230 yards total in 3 years coming into this year.

What you don't seem to grasp is -- McCord no longer had 1st round NFL draft picks at multiple WR spots. He no longer had one of the best backfields in CFB. He no longer had NFL draft picks up and down the OL. You keep talking about a weak schedule, yet ignore his weak roster. He no longer had the massive advantage of throwing to NFL talent at every position and handing it off to multiple NFL RB's.
There are plenty more, but you get the picture. For the sake of consistency, McCord had all of those elite teammates at OSU, and had two years learning the system and getting rapport with his teammates before becoming a starter, and Howard still outplayed him across the board in his one year at OSU coming in brand new. McCord had an elite talent advantage in nearly every game in 2023 and yet his numbers were worse than Howard's, despite also playing weaker defenses. The talent level at Syracuse is obviously lower, but his schedule in 2024 was embarrassingly weak. The ACC was so weak they didn't even have a single top 25 defense. He finished 10th in the Heisman due to volume alone.
 
Let me refresh your memory:






There are plenty more, but you get the picture. For the sake of consistency, McCord had all of those elite teammates at OSU, and had two years learning the system and getting rapport with his teammates before becoming a starter, and Howard still outplayed him across the board in his one year at OSU coming in brand new. McCord had an elite talent advantage in nearly every game in 2023 and yet his numbers were worse than Howard's, despite also playing weaker defenses. The talent level at Syracuse is obviously lower, but his schedule in 2024 was embarrassingly weak. The ACC was so weak they didn't even have a single top 25 defense. He finished 10th in the Heisman due to volume alone.
There is nothing to make an excuse about for McCord's season. The guy put his team on his back and carried them to a 10 win season, something Syracuse had done ONCE in the past 20 years. Take McCord off Syracuse and they are mediocre. Take Howard off Ohio and nothing changes -- the next guy who steps in puts up monster numbers because you have the best skill position talent in CFB and are more talented than every team you face. (This last fact is why Michigan fan's love Ryan Day -- Ohio will always be more talented, but Day gets outcoached every time he faces Michigan)

You keep trying to compare Howard and McCord, when Howard had started 30+ games before coming to Ohio. McCord had zero starts, when he took over the job. McCord led Ohio to an 11-1 record. Howard led Ohio to a 10-2 record.

One thing Howard and McCord do have in common -- both said they were going to beat TTUN. Both failed. McCord played a hell of a game. Howard was a train wreck.
 
There is nothing to make an excuse about for McCord's season. The guy put his team on his back and carried them to a 10 win season, something Syracuse had done ONCE in the past 20 years. Take McCord off Syracuse and they are mediocre. Take Howard off Ohio and nothing changes -- the next guy who steps in puts up monster numbers because you have the best skill position talent in CFB and are more talented than every team you face. (This last fact is why Michigan fan's love Ryan Day -- Ohio will always be more talented, but Day gets outcoached every time he faces Michigan)

You keep trying to compare Howard and McCord, when Howard had started 30+ games before coming to Ohio. McCord had zero starts, when he took over the job. McCord led Ohio to an 11-1 record. Howard led Ohio to a 10-2 record.

One thing Howard and McCord do have in common -- both said they were going to beat TTUN. Both failed. McCord played a hell of a game. Howard was a train wreck.
Newsflash - Syracuse was mediocre with McCord. They got slaughtered by the 10th best team in their conference and shit the bed at home against the 16th best team in the conference (you read that right, 16th best team in the conference).

Howard started a lot of games and did it with arguably worse talent than McCord at Syracuse. He also won a conference title and beat the same TCU team that whooped michigan in the CFP. Howard beat two top 10 teams during the 2024 regular season, how many did McCord beat in 2023? Howard faced five top-25 defenses in the regular season in 2024, how many did McCord face in 2023?

Still laughing at you nut-riding McCord in some desperate attempt to try and dig at OSU.
 
Newsflash - Syracuse was mediocre with McCord. They got slaughtered by the 10th best team in their conference and shit the bed at home against the 16th best team in the conference (you read that right, 16th best team in the conference).

Howard started a lot of games and did it with arguably worse talent than McCord at Syracuse. He also won a conference title and beat the same TCU team that whooped michigan in the CFP. Howard beat two top 10 teams during the 2024 regular season, how many did McCord beat in 2023? Howard faced five top-25 defenses in the regular season in 2024, how many did McCord face in 2023?

Still laughing at you nut-riding McCord in some desperate attempt to try and dig at OSU.
Newsflash -- Syracuse has signed 2 five star at 13 four star recruits total since 2000. To put it in perspective -- Ohio had 75 blue chip recruits on their 2024 team, which is 60 more than Syracuse has signed in just under 25 years. Syracuse is a mediocre program, which makes what McCord did so much more impressive. Syracuse won 10 games and finished ranked in the top 20 when the season ended. Prior to McCord, they had ONE season in the past 20 years where they finished ranked.

And no -- Howard didn't have less talent at Kansas State. Kansas State looks like a football juggernaut compared to Syracuse.

And AGAIN -- i'm not trying to take a dig at you. I'm just stating I was right about McCord. You kept saying how bad McCord was and how he was a terrible QB. Seems to me, one of us was right -- it just wasn't you.
 
Newsflash -- Syracuse has signed 2 five star at 13 four star recruits total since 2000. To put it in perspective -- Ohio had 75 blue chip recruits on their 2024 team, which is 60 more than Syracuse has signed in just under 25 years. Syracuse is a mediocre program, which makes what McCord did so much more impressive. Syracuse won 10 games and finished ranked in the top 20 when the season ended. Prior to McCord, they had ONE season in the past 20 years where they finished ranked.

And no -- Howard didn't have less talent at Kansas State. Kansas State looks like a football juggernaut compared to Syracuse.

And AGAIN -- i'm not trying to take a dig at you. I'm just stating I was right about McCord. You kept saying how bad McCord was and how he was a terrible QB. Seems to me, one of us was right -- it just wasn't you.
2024 Syracuse ranked 48th in the overall talent composite on 247. From 2020-2023, Kansas State ranked 68th, 70th, 69th, and 69th. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

The only thing proven right is that you know next to nothing about football. Kyle McCord was a 5* QB who spent three years with a program that had put three straight QBs into the first round, and the best he could do was leave for a lower level team because nobody wanted him. His career highlights are beating the #13 team in the nation in 2023 despite tons of talent on offense, and then winning the Holiday Bowl over an 8-5 team that played a Mountain West schedule. Will Howard won a conference championship with one of the least talented P5 teams in the nation by beating a previously unbeaten team that played for the National Title, and followed it up by winning a National Title himself.

Please keep fantasizing over McCord though. It's not helping your argument, but it sure is funny to everyone else.
 
2024 Syracuse ranked 48th in the overall talent composite on 247. From 2020-2023, Kansas State ranked 68th, 70th, 69th, and 69th. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

The only thing proven right is that you know next to nothing about football. Kyle McCord was a 5* QB who spent three years with a program that had put three straight QBs into the first round, and the best he could do was leave for a lower level team because nobody wanted him. His career highlights are beating the #13 team in the nation in 2023 despite tons of talent on offense, and then winning the Holiday Bowl over an 8-5 team that played a Mountain West schedule. Will Howard won a conference championship with one of the least talented P5 teams in the nation by beating a previously unbeaten team that played for the National Title, and followed it up by winning a National Title himself.

Please keep fantasizing over McCord though. It's not helping your argument, but it sure is funny to everyone else.
I said from the get go, McCord is a better QB than Howard. You said McCord was a terrible QB and even wanted to blame him for losing to Michigan.

Seems to be, the NFL agrees with me. After watching what McCord did at Syracuse and finishing top 10 in the Heisman with Howard nowhere in sight, CFB agrees with me. Then seeing the combine when Howard had to make all the throws he will need to make in the NFL -- the scouts agree with me. Once McCord is drafted ahead of Howard -- NFL GM's will agree with me.

But keep making up numbers -- it is highly entertaining. Next you are going to say 2024 Ohio would beat 2023 Michigan :pound:
 
I said from the get go, McCord is a better QB than Howard. You said McCord was a terrible QB and even wanted to blame him for losing to Michigan.

Seems to be, the NFL agrees with me. After watching what McCord did at Syracuse and finishing top 10 in the Heisman with Howard nowhere in sight, CFB agrees with me. Then seeing the combine when Howard had to make all the throws he will need to make in the NFL -- the scouts agree with me. Once McCord is drafted ahead of Howard -- NFL GM's will agree with me.

But keep making up numbers -- it is highly entertaining. Next you are going to say 2024 Ohio would beat 2023 Michigan :pound:
Why are you ignoring the fact that you stated Howard didn't have less talent at KSU than McCord had at Syracuse, which I proved to be bullshit? Oh right, you're breaking out the emojis. It's your tell for when you know when you've been proven to be a retard.
 
Why are you ignoring the fact that you stated Howard didn't have less talent at KSU than McCord had at Syracuse, which I proved to be bullshit? Oh right, you're breaking out the emojis. It's your tell for when you know when you've been proven to be a retard.

Why are the Michigan fans so obsessed with McCord? Lol. It's very odd.

Also 2023 Michigan had the easiest route to winning the 4 team playoff, and it's not even close. A very watered down Bama team that was only there by a miracle and fucking Washington.

2023 Michigan gets beat easily by any of the other undefeated 4 team playoff champs
 
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