ok… I’d like to talk about this because, as I said earlier, this is the first time I ever heard about this theory/point. Again, ANY info, links, etc you can give me on this would be much appreciated. Without it, I’m kinda flying blind as to what the significance of it is and I wanna respond to it fully. Until then, I’ll just respond to what I’ve found on my own.
From your quote I’m gathering that you think that the shooting of Oswald by Ruby was faked/staged and that Oswald was murdered in some other way to silence him. The shooting was faked because there was reportedly no blood found either at the shooting or in the ambulance that transported him to the hospital. Furthermore, to cover up the lack of blood Oswald was dressed, for the first time since being in custody, in dark clothing. Apparently, from what I’ve found, this theory is based almost entirely upon the off hand comment of Bob Jackson who was the Dallas photographer who captured the image of Ruby shooting Oswald. Apparently, at some point long after the shooting, Bob stated that he “never saw a speck of blood at the crime scene where Oswald was shot”. That apparently got some people looking into it and they noted that there wasn’t any blood in the ambulance either. From there these people asked “If Oswald had really been shot why isn’t there any blood!” From there I’ve seen some online theories that Oswald was killed by the CIA in the ambulance. (Again, if you can tell me what you think the significance of this information is I’d appreciate it).
As I’ve stated many times, I’m looking for information that exposes the book Case Closed as being wrong. I’m looking for ANY credible info that would blow up that book because I initially believed for years that there was a conspiracy. It’s for that reason that this info/theory intruded me. However, based upon just a few hours of the research on the internet I don’t find this theory to be credible. (Again, ANYTHING that you can provide me that I’m missing would be VERY much appreciated). Let me explain why I don’t find it credible.
I started by looking for any videos or pictures that I could find that shows the crime scene, the sweater and the ambulance and I was looking for ANY signs of blood. After looking at lots of stuff I’m gonna provide only these two videos as they best chronicle the shooting and transporting of Oswald. The first one is him being shot and loaded into the ambulance and the second is him arriving at the hospital and being unloaded.
Despite the videos being in black and white, which made the images hard to see clearly, I too saw ZERO evidence of ANY blood. This lead me to think there may be something to this theory. However, the videos did show me a couple of other things that gave me pause. The first was how lifeless oswalds body was when he was loaded into the ambulance. If that shooting had been staged I just didn’t think he could pull off that acting job. Then I thought “maybe they drugged him when they took him in the back prior to putting him in the ambulance“. The other thing was the ambulance itself. It’s not an ambulance that we think of today. It’s a station wagon with windows everywhere. It’s also very small which means it’s hard to move around. IMO those two things would have made it hard to kill someone inside it. However, as I said before, I didn’t see any blood so I was intrigued. I therefore decided to keep digging.
After watching the videos a few times I started to notice the men who were in the ambulance with Oswald. There were lots of them. Who were they? How did they end up in that ambulance? What did they see, hear, etc? After some digging I learned that there were a total of 6 men in that cramped ambulance with Oswald. To me that was a lot. I started to question how Oswald could have been killed by the CIA (Or someone) with 6 guys there. Who were the six people. My review found that the six people were the ambulance driver, his assistant, Dallas police officer Jim Leavelle (He’s the guy standing next to Oswald when he was shot and who was handcuffed to Oswald), a Dallas police detective named C.N. Dhority, another Dallas police detective who I didn’t yet identify and a 4th year med student named Fred Bieberdorf. It’s this last individual from which I received the most information.
Fred was a 4th year medical student who worked at the Dallas police station in the first aid office. He is often referred to as doctor in a lot of official reports but he’s not a doctor. On the morning Oswald was shot he was seated at the first aid office in the basement of the Dallas police station when he was told that he had to leave because they were about to transport Oswald thru the basement and everyone had to leave. Fred got up, locked the door to the office and proceeded thru the basement past all the reporters to the far end away from everyone. According to a statement he gave to the FBI on December 6, 1963 (a little over a week after Oswald was shot) he was standing away from everything when he heard a gunshot. He immediately ran towards the crowd of people from where the gunshot sound came but when he tried to enter the police station he was stopped by an officer at the door. He then identified himself, was allowed to enter the room where he saw both Oswald and Ruby on the ground. He then went to Oswald and, according to his statement, saw that his shirt had been lifted up and he could see a “puncture“ wound on oswalds left side. As he approached Oswald he observed NO EXTERNAL BLEEDING and when he pressed his fingers against oswalds body he could FEEL the bullet. Here‘s the relevant portion of that statement which confirms that:
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This explains why there was no blood. There was no external bleeding.
Fred then got into the ambulance with the other men I previously mentioned. He initially thought Oswald was dead but about halfway to the hospital Oswald gasped for air and tried to shake off the oxygen mask which had been placed over his nose and mouth. There is no talk of blood transfusions or really any other life saving measures. There is no mention that Oswald ever regained consciousness or spoke. Inside this tiny ambulance Fred was positioned right next to Oswald on one side of him. On the other side of Oswald was detective Jim Leavelle who was still handcuffed to Oswald. Dhority and the other detective were at oswalds feet and the two ambulance attendants were in the front where one was obviously driving.
Here is Fred’s full statement he gave to the FBI in December of 1963
Not surprisingly Fred was called before the WC to testify validate his statement and testify under oath. Here is a transcript of that testimony:
As you can see they refer to him as doctor but he’s still a med student. His testimony is clumsy because he “corrects” a bunch of innocuous things in his statement (ie the spelling of his name, times he examined Ruby, etc) but he doesn’t change the fact that he saw no external bleeding and could feel a bullet inside oswalds body.
Dhority also testified under oath before the WC. Heres a screen shot regarding the relevant portion of his testimony.
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IMO this is very compelling and kills any ”Theory” about Oswald not leaving any blood. Again, based upon what I’ve found, this entire theory is born out of ONE statement from a reporter who (Quite accurately) stated he didn’t see any blood. From that ONE statement this entire theory has been born. If this theory is true then all these Dallas police officers are lying. If this theory is true then this med student is lying. I don’t believe any of them are lying but that’s just my opinion. Again, if there’s any link or other credible information that you have PLEASE send it over. I’m looking for it. I’m not wed to this. I’ll admit i missed something. I’m not trying to “Win”. I’m trying to have a discussion.
Finally, lets talk about the sweater. I’ve already posted a link that says Oswald requested the sweater. Before Oswald was brought out into the basement he was with several Dallas cops who were getting him ready for the transfer. One of them was Detective Graves of the Dallas police department. He also not surprisingly testified before the WC. He was asked about Oswald and the transfer process. Graves testified under oath that it was Oswald who requested the black sweater. Here is a copy of the relevant testimony.
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