What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

dbldwn711 said:
ok… the location of these wounds clearly bothers you. Let’s discuss.

if you dont have any context and just see these two photos you say “wtf”. I know I did for a long time too. However, you’ve gotta put them in context. What do I mean by that. Two things really. The first, is to put the body in a “real world” setting and not on a slab where he’s dead. How do you do that? IMO, you do it thru pictures. Let’s look at some pictures and drawings which help illustrate the pictures.

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IMO these images give the body some real world context. You can literally see the President seconds before and after being hit in the back/neck. When I look at these photos, for me, those two wounds line up.

Im much more of a visual person than a science person and Ive already said, to me, VISUALLY these wounds line up. Now, guys much smarter than me support that belief with science. They talk about the height of the building to Kennedy and the fact that the road slopes slightly down and away from TSBD and with mathematical equations they say the wounds line up. Ok… I’m admittedly not a math guy so I can’t challenge those calculations. again, I can only go by what I see and from what I see, it makes sense to me. It “fits”.

That’s the first part of the “real world” context. Here’s the second: clearly Kennedy’s back wound came from behind him. It could not have come from the knoll. Correct? Ok. That accounts for ONE of oswalds shots. Kennedy, also suffered a neck wound. Now, IF that didn’t come from the back it MUST have come from the front. Ok… possibly (and I stress possibly) the knoll. IF that’s true (the neck wound came from the knoll) then I have two questions. First, where did it exit? If the neck wound came from the front where did the bullet exit Kennedy’s body (there’s no corresponding exit wound) and where did that bullet ultimately end up? There has never been any report of a bullet exiting once it hit kennedy from the front. It didn’t strike any of the bystanders. It didn’t strike any of the SS or cops behind Kennedy’s limo. It’s never been recovered lodged in a tree or something. If the shot came from the front where’s the FORENSICS (exit wound, bullet fragment, etc) that supports that? Also, if this neck wound didn’t come from Oswald that means that a lot of you think there were FIVE shots (not just three or even four). We know one bullet hit a curb. We know one bullet hit the Presidents head. We have very credible evidence that THREE shots came from the 6th floor (three shell casings and two witnesses directly below on the 5th floor that heard three shots and three shells hit the floor above them). If you guys believe that the head shot came from the front AND you dont think this neck wound lines up with the back wound then you are saying TWO shots came from the front.

for me, I’m not buying that. For me, the photos of kennedy immediately before and after the back/neck wound line up. I’m not even gonna get into the real world fact that Kennedy REACTS to both of these wounds at exactly the same time. If they didn’t come from the same bullet then you have 1) two bullets that hit Kennedy at precisely the same moment and 2) one of these alleged bullets hit the President but left ZERO forensic evidence of its existence.

based on all this I believe the wounds line up and both wounds were caused by the same bullet.
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Exactly what I just hit on. He was hunched over from reaction to the first (missed) shot. Well said!

I can’t buy the forensics on this being a front shot. The wound in the back would be an exit and be larger.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
Exactly what I just hit on. He was hunched over from reaction to the first (missed) shot. Well said!

I can’t buy the forensics on this being a front shot. The wound in the back would be an exit and be larger.
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I agree.

@broncosmitty why do these autopsy photos bother you? Yesterday you said you believed all the wounds were caused by the one bullet… just not the bullet they found.
 
dbldwn711 said:
ok… the location of these wounds clearly bothers you. Let’s discuss.

if you dont have any context and just see these two photos you say “wtf”. I know I did for a long time too. However, you’ve gotta put them in context. What do I mean by that. Two things really. The first, is to put the body in a “real world” setting and not on a slab where he’s dead. How do you do that? IMO, you do it thru pictures. Let’s look at some pictures and drawings which help illustrate the pictures.

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IMO these images give the body some real world context. You can literally see the President seconds before and after being hit in the back/neck. When I look at these photos, for me, those two wounds line up.

Im much more of a visual person than a science person and Ive already said, to me, VISUALLY these wounds line up. Now, guys much smarter than me support that belief with science. They talk about the height of the building to Kennedy and the fact that the road slopes slightly down and away from TSBD and with mathematical equations they say the wounds line up. Ok… I’m admittedly not a math guy so I can’t challenge those calculations. again, I can only go by what I see and from what I see, it makes sense to me. It “fits”.

That’s the first part of the “real world” context. Here’s the second: clearly Kennedy’s back wound came from behind him. It could not have come from the knoll. Correct? Ok. That accounts for ONE of oswalds shots. Kennedy, also suffered a neck wound. Now, IF that didn’t come from the back it MUST have come from the front. Ok… possibly (and I stress possibly) the knoll. IF that’s true (the neck wound came from the knoll) then I have two questions. First, where did it exit? If the neck wound came from the front where did the bullet exit Kennedy’s body (there’s no corresponding exit wound) and where did that bullet ultimately end up? It wasn’t in the Presidents body. There has never been any report of a bullet exiting once it hit kennedy from the front. It didn’t strike any of the bystanders. It didn’t strike any of the SS or cops behind Kennedy’s limo. It’s never been recovered lodged in a tree or something. If the shot came from the front where’s the FORENSICS (exit wound, bullet fragment, etc) that supports that? Also, if this neck wound didn’t come from Oswald that means that a lot of you think there were FIVE shots (not just three or even four). We know one bullet hit a curb. We know one bullet hit the Presidents head. We have very credible evidence that THREE shots came from the 6th floor (three shell casings and two witnesses directly below on the 5th floor that heard three shots and three shells hit the floor above them). If you guys believe that the head shot came from the front AND you dont think this neck wound lines up with the back wound then you are saying TWO shots came from the front.

for me, I’m not buying that. For me, the photos of kennedy immediately before and after the back/neck wound line up. I’m not even gonna get into the real world fact that Kennedy REACTS to both of these wounds at exactly the same time. If they didn’t come from the same bullet then you have 1) two bullets that hit Kennedy at precisely the same moment and 2) one of these alleged bullets hit the President but left ZERO forensic evidence of its existence.

based on all this I believe the wounds line up and both wounds were caused by the same bullet.
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The illustration you posted was made by Harold Rydberg. Who never was allowed to see autopsy photos or X-rays.

It’s a sham. The entry is much lower down the back.
 
broncosmitty said:
The illustration you posted was made by Harold Rydberg. Who never was allowed to see autopsy photos or X-rays.

It’s a sham. The entry is much lower down the back.
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That would be the same as the autopsy drawings marking the location of the back entrance that was posted earlier today (not by you).

Point is one instance of someone doing a drawing without seeing the photos can’t be proof and the other a sham.
 
broncosmitty said:
The illustration you posted was made by Harold Rydberg. Who never was allowed to see autopsy photos or X-rays.

It’s a sham. The entry is much lower down the back.
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do you think the back and neck wound line up?
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
That would be the same as the autopsy drawings marking the location of the back entrance that was posted earlier today (not by you).

Point is one instance of someone doing a drawing without seeing the photos can’t be proof and the other a sham.
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lolzzz I posted like 10 examples of people saying it was further down the back.
 
dbldwn711 said:
ok… how did the neck wound happen then?
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I don't know but from the angle of the shot and the location of the wound on the back it wasn't the magic bullet that caused it. Maybe the secret service shot him on accident, you heard that one?
 
Nosferatu said:
lolzzz I posted like 10 examples of people saying it was further down the back.
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And I asked you what the numbers were in parenthesis on the quotes. Never heard back.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
Have you read this book by chance? Only asking because this is talked about a lot. Yes, other books talk about it, but this book really goes into it.

LHO was the youngest child of a woman with extreme mental issues. She got him started spoiled and developing a ridiculous world view that the actual world could never live up to. That’s what he showed in the US, USSR and back in the US again. Cuba became the object of pure Marxism he was seeking.

This was just why he was in Mexico City. And yeah, I believe it was actually him too.
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I haven't read the book but I have seen several fairly in depth Posner interviews on YouTube several years ago. Shortly before that I was under the belief that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. Quite frankly my position was that the magic bullet was the best proof of a second shooter and CIA agents were directly or indirectly in charge of the shooters, and LHO was directly involved with the CIA.

The changing point came about when I read a book that claimed that JFK's body was altered in mid flight to DC to frame LHO for the CIA's assassination on JFK. It was so outrageous ... the stretches, associations, and assumptions made by the author, many laughable on their face .... I decided to research it for the first time with unlimited internet(was paying by the minute when JFK first came out).

The magic bullet was always the key and IMHO the evidence shows that the magic bullet was not ballistic magic at all. Unless Governor Connally is exhumed, the bullet fragments recovered, weighed, and the total of that plus the magic bullet is outside the margin of error of manufactured bullet weight, then I will forever believe that one bullet went through both people.
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
And I asked you what the numbers were in parenthesis on the quotes. Never heard back.
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They were references to where the claims could be found in other papers or books.
 
dbldwn711 said:
do you think the back and neck wound line up?
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I’ve been thinking about this today. If this injury was a shot from the front it would have had to come from the left of the street (center into neck, out right back). That wouldn’t have been for the knoll. The only spot where that could reasonably come from is the train track bridge over the road. There were some people up there. None of them reported a gun man up there with them.

No one ever pointed that direction either.
 
batchaps4me said:
I haven't read the book but I have seen several fairly in depth Posner interviews on YouTube several years ago. Shortly before that I was under the belief that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. Quite frankly my position was that the magic bullet was the best proof of a second shooter and CIA agents were directly or indirectly in charge of the shooters, and LHO was directly involved with the CIA.

The changing point came about when I read a book that claimed that JFK's body was altered in mid flight to DC to frame LHO for the CIA's assassination on JFK. It was so outrageous ... the stretches, associations, and assumptions made by the author, many laughable on their face .... I decided to research it for the first time with unlimited internet(was paying by the minute when JFK first came out).

The magic bullet was always the key and IMHO the evidence shows that the magic bullet was not ballistic magic at all. Unless Governor Connally is exhumed, the bullet fragments recovered, weighed, and the total of that plus the magic bullet is outside the margin of error of manufactured bullet weight, then I will forever believe that one bullet went through both people.
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If you’ve listened to Posner you can at least glean he is not a nutter. He does claim to have started work on this book just to see where evidence led him and expected to be speaking of a conspiracy in this. But, that’s not where the evidence led him.

He does talk about what lead was in both men being removed and weighed. It was mere grains worth, and accounts for what amount was missing from the “pristine” bullet.

I’ve read some of the books like you. To be fair….I’ve read credible books that tell of a conspiracy well. But, I’ve also read the bat shit crazy stuff. The premise on the body was that it was switched or altered once back to the plane and before they took off. Except, all persons on that plane can confirm that the casket was never unattended.
 
batchaps4me said:
I haven't read the book but I have seen several fairly in depth Posner interviews on YouTube several years ago. Shortly before that I was under the belief that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. Quite frankly my position was that the magic bullet was the best proof of a second shooter and CIA agents were directly or indirectly in charge of the shooters, and LHO was directly involved with the CIA.

The changing point came about when I read a book that claimed that JFK's body was altered in mid flight to DC to frame LHO for the CIA's assassination on JFK. It was so outrageous ... the stretches, associations, and assumptions made by the author, many laughable on their face .... I decided to research it for the first time with unlimited internet(was paying by the minute when JFK first came out).

The magic bullet was always the key and IMHO the evidence shows that the magic bullet was not ballistic magic at all. Unless Governor Connally is exhumed, the bullet fragments recovered, weighed, and the total of that plus the magic bullet is outside the margin of error of manufactured bullet weight, then I will forever believe that one bullet went through both people.
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The bullet in it's original state was 161 grains the bullet found on the stretcher was 158.6 grains
 
Nosferatu said:
They were references to where the claims could be found in other papers or books.
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That’s what I thought. Just wanted to make sure. And these were references from multiple different sources?

I’m asking because most I’m familiar with, but a few I wasn’t. To me that was sourcing I need to check out, and not a discredit to what you’re sharing.
 
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