What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

Joseph Kennedy had political power that was probably unrivaled by any other un-elected American at that time and his shady dealings in the (mob connected) business world surely gave him many enemies as well. The fact that the family was able to influence the investigation(s) starting with squelching the autopsy report and the continued censoring of information afterwards certainly begs the question of whether this was a hit by Mob because they were pissed that Joseph hadn't reigned in his sons. Remember that RFK was the Attorney General in the JFK administration and he was hot on the tails of organized crime at the time. The fact that he was assassinated 5 years later would appear to tie it all together, but that is just me day dreaming about some more conspiracy theories :biggrin:
Oh yes. All things I’ve latched hard onto in the past. It’s speculative but based on some fact.

Where it starts to run aground for me is that the mafia has spent 40 years probing that omertà is not the immutable law they always claimed it was. And nothing has come out about their involvement officially (as much as I love The Irishman that wasn’t a reporting of fact…..hell….it might have been exactly what it was…a bunch of connected guys figuring someone did something)
 
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enjoy your afternoon.

FWIW, I agree (and appreciate) your last comment. I think it’s right on the money. I don’t think the CIA killed Kennedy but I agree they were capable of doing it if they wanted to. I do think there is major CYA going on AFTER the fact and it’s not just them. The SS, the FBI and others are all to blame for obvious lapses which allowed this to happen. However, CYA after the fact does not mean there is a conspiracy.

What do you think happened that day?
99% of the time I think LHO was wanting to be a Marxist hero in Cuba and decided to gift them JFK for admission(would not have worked). I believe that he shot JFK in this sequence:
1. First shot- due to a faulty/unaligned sight the first shot deflected off of either a tree limb or more probably a metal post(cant remember if it was a sign post or light post) and/or ricocheted off the pavement and struck a pedestrian.
2. After a few seconds(deep breath and aiming) the magic bullet shot.
3. The head shot.
At this point every government agency went into CYA mode. Pressure was later put on the WC to gloss over agency failings under the guise of threat of nuclear war if the "truth" the IC had was to get into the public.
 
funny since it was in the WC where the CIA coined and weaponized this line of thinking.

Looks like it worked, useful idiot.
You and the rest of the conspiracy nuts here are funny to listen to. Are you going to search for Big Foot too?
 
99% of the time I think LHO was wanting to be a Marxist hero in Cuba and decided to gift them JFK for admission(would not have worked). I believe that he shot JFK in this sequence:
1. First shot- due to a faulty/unaligned sight the first shot deflected off of either a tree limb or more probably a metal post(cant remember if it was a sign post or light post) and/or ricocheted off the pavement and struck a pedestrian.
2. After a few seconds(deep breath and aiming) the magic bullet shot.
3. The head shot.
At this point every government agency went into CYA mode. Pressure was later put on the WC to gloss over agency failings under the guise of threat of nuclear war if the "truth" the IC had was to get into the public.
I’m still more convinced Oswald thought he would impress Castro by doing this. I feel this had to be his driving force. Cuba was going to be where he was finally around his people.

But what is missing is proof of any Cuban encouragement. I think Fidel was talking tough in the press but I have to believe the Soviets told him in no uncertain terms to leave JFK alone. This assassination was a year after the missile crisis. I believe the Soviets didn’t want to trigger an exchange any more than we did.
 
No, that's @Dole ver 2.0's baby.


But even that retard doesn't need to change his screen name every 3 months cuz he's such an unlikable tard.
fail black and white GIF
 
I wonder what the next incarnation will be once you get tired of getting your shit pushed in again?
 
I’m still more convinced Oswald thought he would impress Castro by doing this. I feel this had to be his driving force. Cuba was going to be where he was finally around his people.
I do as well but have no doubt that he was wrong. Had he escaped to Mexico City, the Cuban Embassy would have not let him in the damned building much less the country. Castro and the Russians would have stopped that shit in its tracks.
But what is missing is proof of any Cuban encouragement. I think Fidel was talking tough in the press but I have to believe the Soviets told him in no uncertain terms to leave JFK alone. This assassination was a year after the missile crisis. I believe the Soviets didn’t want to trigger an exchange any more than we did.
The fact of the matter is that had Cuba given LHO asylum, we would have invaded and if necessary risked an all out nuclear war with the Soviets over that. I am not saying Castro and the Soviets were geniuses but they would have known this. This is just Oswald's fantasy even though Castro had a motive. But it was a motive without the means but with certain invasion/death for Castro as the result.
 
I do as well but have no doubt that he was wrong. Had he escaped to Mexico City, the Cuban Embassy would have not let him in the damned building much less the country. Castro and the Russians would have stopped that shit in its tracks.

The fact of the matter is that had Cuba given LHO asylum, we would have invaded and if necessary risked an all out nuclear war with the Soviets over that. I am not saying Castro and the Soviets were geniuses but they would have known this. This is just Oswald's fantasy even though Castro had a motive. But it was a motive without the means but with certain invasion/death for Castro as the result.
Oh man, I didn’t even think if he “Snowden’s” to Cuba. Cuba took the Soviets lead. That was exactly how his Mexico City excursion went.

He wrote countless letters to socialist leaders in the US talking like he was part of it with them. He had it in his head that he would be lauded by the people he wanted to be for doing this.

Just like Ruby….
 
You and the rest of the conspiracy nuts here are funny to listen to. Are you going to search for Big Foot too?



You have brought nothing to the conversation, turn the Matchbox Twenty up and go back to your coloring book!
 
Oh man, I didn’t even think if he “Snowden’s” to Cuba. Cuba took the Soviets lead. That was exactly how his Mexico City excursion went.

He wrote countless letters to socialist leaders in the US talking like he was part of it with them. He had it in his head that he would be lauded by the people he wanted to be for doing this.

Just like Ruby….
I think that was his whole purpose to go to the Cuban embassy(and yes I believe it was LHO at the embassy). He had the delusion that he would be welcomed to the Soviet Union with great fanfare as a hero, then was not. He thought he would be welcomed back home to America as a hero and was not. He wanted to go to Cuba and thought he would be welcomed a hero ...
 
I’m still more convinced Oswald thought he would impress Castro by doing this. I feel this had to be his driving force. Cuba was going to be where he was finally around his people.

But what is missing is proof of any Cuban encouragement. I think Fidel was talking tough in the press but I have to believe the Soviets told him in no uncertain terms to leave JFK alone. This assassination was a year after the missile crisis. I believe the Soviets didn’t want to trigger an exchange any more than we did.
There was a journalist with Castro at the time of the assassination. Forget his name, his account was not of a happy Castro, but a concerned one. LBJ was mostly unknown to him. JFK wasn’t a friend, but wasn’t a loose canon.
 
There was a journalist with Castro at the time of the assassination. Forget his name, his account was not of a happy Castro, but a concerned one. LBJ was mostly unknown to him. JFK wasn’t a friend, but wasn’t a loose canon.
Some folks think the gay mafia assassinated JFK.
 
I think that was his whole purpose to go to the Cuban embassy(and yes I believe it was LHO at the embassy). He had the delusion that he would be welcomed to the Soviet Union with great fanfare as a hero, then was not. He thought he would be welcomed back home to America as a hero and was not. He wanted to go to Cuba and thought he would be welcomed a hero ...
Have you read this book by chance? Only asking because this is talked about a lot. Yes, other books talk about it, but this book really goes into it.

LHO was the youngest child of a woman with extreme mental issues. She got him started spoiled and developing a ridiculous world view that the actual world could never live up to. That’s what he showed in the US, USSR and back in the US again. Cuba became the object of pure Marxism he was seeking.

This was just why he was in Mexico City. And yeah, I believe it was actually him too.
 
There was a journalist with Castro at the time of the assassination. Forget his name, his account was not of a happy Castro, but a concerned one. LBJ was mostly unknown to him. JFK wasn’t a friend, but wasn’t a loose canon.
No doubt on that. Better the devil you know then the one you don’t. Castro was trying to find his place in regional and global affairs. He did speak in the press saying basically if Kennedy is going to come after him he can do the same. But, that was bluster.

You know who couldn’t easily decipher bluster? LHO
 

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Six stories up, 280 feet away…

He would’ve had to be reaching down towards his feet that split second the limo goes behind the road sign on the Zapruder Film. Or the Warren Commission was just a sham. One or the other.



ok… the location of these wounds clearly bothers you. Let’s discuss.

if you dont have any context and just see these two photos you say “wtf”. I know I did for a long time too. However, you’ve gotta put them in context. What do I mean by that. Two things really. The first, is to put the body in a “real world” setting and not on a slab where he’s dead. How do you do that? IMO, you do it thru pictures. Let’s look at some pictures and drawings which help illustrate the pictures.

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IMO these images give the body some real world context. You can literally see the President seconds before and after being hit in the back/neck. When I look at these photos, for me, those two wounds line up.

Im much more of a visual person than a science person and Ive already said, to me, VISUALLY these wounds line up. Now, guys much smarter than me support that belief with science. They talk about the height of the building to Kennedy and the fact that the road slopes slightly down and away from TSBD and with mathematical equations they say the wounds line up. Ok… I’m admittedly not a math guy so I can’t challenge those calculations. again, I can only go by what I see and from what I see, it makes sense to me. It “fits”.

That’s the first part of the “real world” context. Here’s the second: clearly Kennedy’s back wound came from behind him. It could not have come from the knoll. Correct? Ok. That accounts for ONE of oswalds shots. Kennedy, also suffered a neck wound. Now, IF that didn’t come from the back it MUST have come from the front. Ok… possibly (and I stress possibly) the knoll. IF that’s true (the neck wound came from the knoll) then I have two questions. First, where did it exit? If the neck wound came from the front where did the bullet exit Kennedy’s body (there’s no corresponding exit wound) and where did that bullet ultimately end up? It wasn’t in the Presidents body. There has never been any report of a bullet exiting once it hit kennedy from the front. It didn’t strike any of the bystanders. It didn’t strike any of the SS or cops behind Kennedy’s limo. It’s never been recovered lodged in a tree or something. If the shot came from the front where’s the FORENSICS (exit wound, bullet fragment, etc) that supports that? Also, if this neck wound didn’t come from Oswald that means that a lot of you think there were FIVE shots (not just three or even four). We know one bullet hit a curb. We know one bullet hit the Presidents head. We have very credible evidence that THREE shots came from the 6th floor (three shell casings and two witnesses directly below on the 5th floor that heard three shots and three shells hit the floor above them). If you guys believe that the head shot came from the front AND you dont think this neck wound lines up with the back wound then you are saying TWO shots came from the front.

for me, I’m not buying that. For me, the photos of kennedy immediately before and after the back/neck wound line up. I’m not even gonna get into the real world fact that Kennedy REACTS to both of these wounds at exactly the same time. If they didn’t come from the same bullet then you have 1) two bullets that hit Kennedy at precisely the same moment and 2) one of these alleged bullets hit the President but left ZERO forensic evidence of its existence.

based on all this I believe the wounds line up and both wounds were caused by the same bullet.
 
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Thanks for this. I honestly tried googling for pics like this the other day. I’m sure it was right there and I wasn’t seeing it.

That is compelling. A shot from height shouldn’t rise.

I’m going to have to go on speculation with what I know here. No other choice. You can see from the film both men look behind them and hunch a little at the first shot that I believe happens before the sign blocks view from the film.

For a moment, react like you just heard something like a gun going off, and knowing if that’s the case you are likely a target. You head drops and shoulders hunch up, right? Now imagine your completely locked like concrete from sternum to thigh. Your reaction is pretty much the head down, shoulders up.

Kennedy seems to be hunching a bit before they go behind the sign. When they come out he’s been hit. Creepy neurological to tidbit. I always thought he was reaching up for his neck. But it’s actually an identified syndrome response that comes when damage is done high up the spinal column. The arms fly up and lock like this. You can see Jackie trying to pull them down before the head shot, she can’t.

Back to the point. Feel free to crap on this, it’s admitted speculation based on what facts I do know. But the magic bullet was always explained to be improbable until the enhanced the film and could better map both men’s positions. Unless technology can take that damn sign away we will never know for sure. But I think it’s a case of body position again being a factor.
 
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