What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

[dbldwn711]

That is not how he would have done it. Once you mount a scope, you sight in in and unless the scope is removed, bumped hard or adjusted, it does not need sighting in again for the same user. He could have knocked it out of calibration that day but would not have went into that knowing he would have to waste a shot while bringing attention to his position.

As far as shooting JFK before the turn goes, there are a couple reasons not to do that:
1. He would be shooting over Connally and the front windshield so his hittable target is greatly reduced to just
the head. After the turn, he has the full torso to aim at and the car is moving slower.
2. If he misses JFK and hits the car or anyone in it, the motorcade will not make the turn. He probably will not
get a second shot and damned sure won't get three.

So if he were to want to kill JFK, shooting before the turn and/or wasting a shot makes no sense.

thx.

Does it matter that he had to disassemble the weapon that morning to bring it to work? When he got in the car that morning he told the guy driving him he was carrying curtain rods. The gun was wrapped in brown paper that was found at the scene. The brown paper wasn’t long enough to cover the gun unless it was disassembled. When Oswald reassembled the gun would the sight now need adjusting?

 

[dbldwn711]

How would he see where his shot landed? No target.

he may have been shooting at a fixed object on the street

 

[dbldwn711]

I can’t speak as a very knowledged gun person….but I find the theory of sighting that gun there implausible. He had to l know he was getting one to two shots at this and been ready. He had taken a shot at Walker before and knew you take your shot(s) and get out.

The question of why you take that shot through the trees is a good one. We can’t know for sure thanks to Ruby (might not have ever gotten a straight answer anyway). I make a presumption that it’s possible he was sighting in for when the trees were cleared and he just squeezed it off. It’s plausible being a high stress situation he wanted to get right.

yeah… I too found it implausible when I first read it too and for the very same reason you’ve mentioned. However, this theory is captured in a book where the author is an accomplished shooter who is a rifle marksman. He seems adamant about this sight in concept.

Check out this link…

The Final Truth: Solving the Mystery of the JFK Assassination

Five questions answered only by The Final Truth . 1. Oswald fired the first shot for the INDISPENSABLE requirement of zeroing. It mi...

thefinaltruthjfk.blogspot.com

 

[batchaps4me]

thx.

Does it matter that he had to disassemble the weapon that morning to bring it to work? When he got in the car that morning he told the guy driving him he was carrying curtain rods. The gun was wrapped in brown paper that was found at the scene. The brown paper wasn’t long enough to cover the gun unless it was disassembled. When Oswald reassembled the gun would the sight now need adjusting?

You can disassemble a rifle and it still be sighted if care is taken not to bump the scope. Now it is entirely possible and IMHO is the case that LHO's scope was defective in some manner ... probably misaligned from carrying it in paper and bumping it ... and that is the reason the first shot missed.

 

[beardown07]

Wasn't the route changed at the last minute, too?

It was supposed to go down Main, I thought?

 

[dbldwn711]

A little bit more on this author… like I said, I just stumbled across this and I know not much more about than I’ve said here. I’m only posting it for discussion and I’m certainly not advocating it as it too seems implausible.

This author ALSO said that 4 frames from the Zapruder film and other films taken that day in dealey plaza were removed as part of a coverup. This author in addition to being a marksman is also in film so he says he’s familiar with filming and says the 4 frames were removed. When I read this I was like “yeah… sure” but then I found this….

In early 1967, Life released a statement saying that four frames of the original (frames 208–211) were accidentally destroyed, and the adjacent frames damaged, by a Life photo lab technician on November 23, 1963.

 

[dbldwn711]

Wasn't the route changed at the last minute, too?

It was supposed to go down Main, I thought?

I don’t think so. The published route in the newspaper had it going past the TSBD

 

[Fish]

yeah… I too found it implausible when I first read it too and for the very same reason you’ve mentioned. However, this theory is captured in a book where the author is an accomplished shooter who is a rifle marksman. He seems adamant about this sight in concept.

Check out this link…

The Final Truth: Solving the Mystery of the JFK Assassination

Five questions answered only by The Final Truth . 1. Oswald fired the first shot for the INDISPENSABLE requirement of zeroing. It mi...

thefinaltruthjfk.blogspot.com

"Oswald fired the first shot for the INDISPENSABLE requirement of zeroing. It missed because it wasn’t aimed at the limousine in the first place. Learn rifle marksmanship then read and understand every word of Oswald’s Marine Corps Score Book. "

I don't believe any of that nonsense. Do Marine snipers always miss their first shot because it's a zeroing shot? Not likely.

 

[dbldwn711]

You can disassemble a rifle and it still be sighted if care is taken not to bump the scope. Now it is entirely possible and IMHO is the case that LHO's scope was defective in some manner ... probably misaligned from carrying it in paper and bumping it ... and that is the reason the first shot missed.

thx… I really don’t know anything about it that’s why I’m asking.

 

[broncosmitty]

I get what you’re saying. I just can’t buy that in that moment she was speaking of anything but the known threats that they knew were going to be in Dallas.

Connellys wife even said to JFK right before the shots “you can no longer say that most of Dallas doesn’t love you”.

You’ve been in here a good bit, and offered some insight as you see them (three, maybe four shots, IIRC).

What do you believe happened here? 3-4 shots from where and from whom?

I don’t know who THEY were. Anyone with motive could’ve been THEY. But I believe THEY killed the President.

I believe Lee Oswald shot the President. Don’t believe he killed him. One guy isn’t a they, just like a city isnt.

I’m certain the government intentionally packaged up a story they could sell. And almost sixty years later, some people still work to carry the water for em.

 

[dbldwn711]

"Oswald fired the first shot for the INDISPENSABLE requirement of zeroing. It missed because it wasn’t aimed at the limousine in the first place. Learn rifle marksmanship then read and understand every word of Oswald’s Marine Corps Score Book. "

I don't believe any of that nonsense. Do Marine snipers always miss their first shot because it's a zeroing shot? Not likely.

I agree that at first blush it seems implausible.

 

[broncosmitty]

"Oswald fired the first shot for the INDISPENSABLE requirement of zeroing. It missed because it wasn’t aimed at the limousine in the first place. Learn rifle marksmanship then read and understand every word of Oswald’s Marine Corps Score Book. "

I don't believe any of that nonsense. Do Marine snipers always miss their first shot because it's a zeroing shot? Not likely.

I’ve never intentionally missed any target I’ve taken a shot at.

And I’ve never taken a shot at a target in a moving vehicle with armed protection.

That makes no sense.

 

[dbldwn711]

I don’t know who THEY were. Anyone with motive could’ve been THEY. But I believe THEY killed the President.

I believe Lee Oswald shot the President. Don’t believe he killed him. One guy isn’t a they, just like a city isnt.

I’m certain the government intentionally packaged up a story they could sell. And almost sixty years later, some people still work to carry the water for em.

we can’t all be hero’s like you.

it’s interesting though that you will ridicule those who take a position but you won’t take one yourself. Instead, you’ll say “meh.. took 1 or 2 shots”, “there was a coverup by the government but I’m not sure who actually was involved in it”, “I’m certain it was a coverup but I won’t explain how or why”, etc

Stay brave.

 

[DraftNerd]

yeah… I too found it implausible when I first read it too and for the very same reason you’ve mentioned. However, this theory is captured in a book where the author is an accomplished shooter who is a rifle marksman. He seems adamant about this sight in concept.

Check out this link…

The Final Truth: Solving the Mystery of the JFK Assassination

Five questions answered only by The Final Truth . 1. Oswald fired the first shot for the INDISPENSABLE requirement of zeroing. It mi...

thefinaltruthjfk.blogspot.com

I guess where this impacts the most to me is it takes time to shoot and then adjust the sights. Time is already a precious thing in getting three shots off.

I’m likely struggling here with it as it eats into my theory at all three shots came from Oswald in ~8 seconds.

On one hand I would expect that Oswald would have been dialed in before a shot since he’s taken a proficient shot at Walker (only a part of the window frame that Oswald probably couldn’t see well in his scope deflected that bullet)

On the other hand everything I read about Oswald was that he wasn’t an extremely competent person.

It’s a good call out for source material. Thanks.

 

[DraftNerd]

You can disassemble a rifle and it still be sighted if care is taken not to bump the scope. Now it is entirely possible and IMHO is the case that LHO's scope was defective in some manner ... probably misaligned from carrying it in paper and bumping it ... and that is the reason the first shot missed.

This would make sense. He didn’t have this think in a foam lined case when he transported it.

He had it wrapped in paper and surely disassembled as reported by his car poop partner Buell….the answer was curtain rods.

 

[DraftNerd]

A little bit more on this author… like I said, I just stumbled across this and I know not much more about than I’ve said here. I’m only posting it for discussion and I’m certainly not advocating it as it too seems implausible.

This author ALSO said that 4 frames from the Zapruder film and other films taken that day in dealey plaza were removed as part of a coverup. This author in addition to being a marksman is also in film so he says he’s familiar with filming and says the 4 frames were removed. When I read this I was like “yeah… sure” but then I found this….

In early 1967, Life released a statement saying that four frames of the original (frames 208–211) were accidentally destroyed, and the adjacent frames damaged, by a Life photo lab technician on November 23, 1963.

This was shown in the Parkland movie. They needed Zapruders film developed. I can’t remember if it was newspaper or police that said they don’t have the ability to do it (8mm was new). Zapruder mentioned Kodak.

Kodak told them it would be a challenge. The film records multiple ways (or something of that nature) and it increases the chance of exposure. They recommended sending it to HQ. The SS nixed that as it would take too long.

Just another interesting wrinkle in the whole thing.

 

[dbldwn711]

I guess where this impacts the most to me is it takes time to shoot and then adjust the sights. Time is already a precious thing in getting three shots off.

I’m likely struggling here with it as it eats into my theory at all three shots came from Oswald in ~8 seconds.

On one hand I would expect that Oswald would have been dialed in before a shot since he’s taken a proficient shot at Walker (only a part of the window frame that Oswald probably couldn’t see well in his scope deflected that bullet)

On the other hand everything I read about Oswald was that he wasn’t an extremely competent person.

It’s a good call out for source material. Thanks.

yeah… I’m with this. Again, I’m not a shooter so I’m not in a position to say one way or the other. To me it’s just implausible. To me you don’t waste a shot bc you don’t know if you’re gonna get a second or third shot. The rifle was oswalds. He knew it. In some ways it’s an extension of him. You don’t waste a shot.

However, I’m not a sniper. Would a sniper want the luxury of being able to adjust for such things as wind if they BELIEVED they’d have an opportunity for a second shot? I guess that’s why I threw it out for discussion and tagged those two posters.

 

[broncosmitty]

we can’t all be hero’s like you.

it’s interesting though that you will ridicule those who take a position but you won’t take one yourself. Instead, you’ll say “meh.. took 1 or 2 shots”, “there was a coverup by the government but I’m not sure who actually was involved in it”, “I’m certain it was a coverup but I won’t explain how or why”, etc

Stay brave.

I’m ridiculing people in this thread?

Okay…

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

So I actually came across something I had never heard before and I’m intrigued by it. At first blush I’m thinking it sounds far fetched but what do I know.

What I found was a theory that Oswald missed his first shot INTENTIONALLY. It’s a concept called “zero” or “sight in” your firearm. I’m not a shooter but maybe some of you that are can offer perspective. I’ve read that shooters don’t just pick up a rifle and shoot. They first zero or sight in the scope. The idea is you you shoot at a target, compare when the bullet lands to when your scope was aimed, and adjust until they are the same.

This concept sounds crazy given what Oswald was shooting at but it does “fit” some other evidence. Specifically the following:

1) if the first shot missed it would have been taken when the limo was under heavy foliage from the tree. Others have asked why would Oswald take that shot thru the trees. What if he didn’t shoot thru the trees but rather took that time to “zero” his weapon. Then as Kennedy emerged from under the cover of the tree the sight was adjusted and “zeroed in”.

2) the witnesses on the 5th floor that say they heard 3 shots from above also say they heard the first one, then there was a slight pause followed by the second and third shot closer together. Was this pause Oswald adjusting the sight in the weapon?

3) Oswald knew his weapon. He had shot it a lot at ranges. Some who have examined the weapon said “the sight was off”. If that’s true then that means Oswald knew that so he had to “sight in” before taking the shot. He had already had one near miss when he shot at walker. He didn’t want another so he had to adjust the sight.

4) the trajectory of Oswald shooting thru the tree foliage at the limo at where tague was dont line up. Tague was standing down range in front of the triple underpass. The thought was first shot missed, hit a branch which caused it to go down range. However, if Oswald was aiming at some target down range in order to zero his weapon then the trajectory to Tague lines up.

5) if Oswald felt he had to sight in the weapon prior to actually aiming at Kennedy that would explain why he didn’t shoot Kennedy coming up elm. He needed a sight in shot and that couldn’t be afforded to him as the president came up main. That’s why he waited till he was down range.

I’m gonna tag @Cobrabit and @ojb81 here NOT to offer any insight per se on this theory but rather if they can offer any insight on the concept of zero or sight in a weapon.

Hunters absolutely sight in their rifles, but they do this ahead of time at a number of distances. You don't do it on the fly. Obviously you would scare away the animal if hunting, but I can't imagine you'd do it in any other scenario either.

 

[dbldwn711]

Wasn't the route changed at the last minute, too?

It was supposed to go down Main, I thought?

Let’s talk a little about this and add some real facts for context:

Oswald tried to kill Gen walker on April 10, 1963. He came home that night and told marina what he did. Marina was afraid he would try to kill walker again so she insists that they go back to NO (LHO was born there).
they leave for NO that same month.

They get to NO and Oswald is handing out leaflets trying to get people to join his organization. He hands them out all summer but he gets ZERO people to join.

Oswald is frustrated. He isn’t making it in America. He didn’t make it Russia. He then decides that he and marina are gonna go live in Cuba.

In September he sends marina back to Dallas to live with Ruth Paine while he travels to Mexico City to try and get to Cuba so he can send for marina.

Some have suggested that LHO wasn’t actually in Cuba. They say it was a body double. However, we have his route from NO to Mexico City. On 9/25/63 LHO boards a continental trailways bus (No 5121) from NO to Houston. On 9/26/63 he boards another continental trailways bus (No 5133) for Laredo Tx. That same day at about 2pm (about 12 hours later) according to immigration documents LHO crosses over into Mexico. Shortly after crossing into Mexico he gets on Flecha Roja bus number 516 and takes an overnight trip to Mexico City which gets him there on Friday AM 9/27/63.

Why are these details important? Because the Kennedy’s trip to dallas was announced for the FIRST TIME on 9/26/63. This is EXACT time that Oswald is trying to get himself and his family to cuba. Some conspiracy theorists suggest that this trip to Mexico City to was really a rouse to lay the blame for an assassination at the feet of Russia or Cuba but nobody knew Kennedy was even going to Dallas until the 26th when the trip was announced. Additionally, even if Oswald was brought into a conspiracy after retuning from Mexico City where’s the phone calls? Where’s the meetings that did that? There aren’t any.

Oswald goes to the Cuban embassy for a visa. They tell him the only way he can go to Cuba is via a layover in Russia. He then goes to the Russian embassy for a visa but they turn him away. He then goes back to the Cuban embassy who rejects him again.

He stays in Mexico City a few days and returns to Dallas in early October (6 weeks before the assassination). When he returns he needs a job. We all know that ends up working at the TSBD. How did he get that job? If he’s involved in a conspiracy then it must have been the Russians or the mob or the CIA that got him that job right? Except it wasn’t. It was Ruth Paine (the same lady who marina had been staying with). Ruth had a brother who worked there. Ruth called the supervisor DIRECTLY to get LHO the job at the TSBD. That means if there is conspiracy then Ruth Paine MUST be involved. Where’s the evidence of that?

oswald gets starts working at the TSBD in mid October. A verbal description of the motorcade route wasn’t announced until September 19 (see below) when it was published in the two local Dallas papers. The route map itself was published in both Dallas papers a few days later on the 21st and 22nd.

Here’s the confusion about the motorcade being “changed at the last minute”. The map routes published in the papers on the 21st and 22nd do NOT show the turn onto elm and Houston. They show the motorcade going straight on Main. The reason for this is the scale of the map that was printed was too small. The fact is that the PREVIOUS publications of the route on September 19 (see below) list the turns into Houston and elm. There was no “last minute change”. Here, see for yourself.




heres the other…



The fact is there’s nothing sinister about the motorcade route. There was no last minute change just like there were no meetings or phone calls that brought Oswald into a conspiracy.