What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

dbldwn711 said:
I can definitely provide some insight into number 1. By no means is this definitive but it’s some insight.

After Kennedy was declared dead Dallas officials wanted an autopsy in Dallas. They said it’s a murder that occurred in Dallas they have jurisdiction. SS said, nope … we’re leaving and we are taking the president with us. This was in no small part bc of Jackie Kennedy. She was insisting that they leave Dallas immediately. She was for obvious reasons pissed off and didn’t want to stay there. I’m pretty sure she also called Bobby to help get SS to take the president with them. Once they got on AF1 somebody approached Jackie to ask her where she wanted the autopsy performed. This person told her they would do it anywhere she wanted it performed. She told this person “there isn’t going to be an autopsy”. This person insisted that there HAD to be one and if she didn’t pick the place someone else would. This person then suggested a couple of different places that could perform the autopsy and one of them was Bethesda. Jackie then said “well, since Jack was a navy man let’s do it at Bethesda” but she only gave in once she realized she had to.

I’ll add this. Jackie was then asked if she wanted to change her clothes bc it had all the blood on it. She said “no! I want the world to see what they did to my husband”. That’s why she wore those clothes the whole time.

When the plane touched down in DC Kennedy was brought straight to Bethesda. The dr who performed the autopsy was notified when the plane was enroute. He had to cancel a dinner party of about 28 people that was to take place at his house that night.

Bethesda is a teaching hospital so it has a viewing area above the room. It was packed. Tough scenario to do anything covert.

lastly, there are conspiracy authors that focus their books on the autopsy. They say things Kennedy was sneaked in via a plain soldiers casket not the one that’s seen in all the photos. They also say that Kennedy’s body was operated on when it was on AF1 to alter the wounds. Both of these have been proven false.
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To see what THEY did to my husband.
 
I believe there were four shooters and five shots fired.

The first shot came from the front and hit him in the neck.

The reason you see his head move slightly forward before being destroyed and moving back and to the left is because his head was hit twice almost simultaneously once from behind once from the grassy knoll area.

I believe it's beyond ridiculous to believe one guy pulled this off, with a $12 piece of shit Italian World War II weapon.

There were fake cops and fake secret service agents at Dealey Plaza that day.
 
Nosferatu said:
I believe there were four shooters and five shots fired.

The first shot came from the front and hit him in the neck.

The reason you see his head move slightly forward before being destroyed and moving back and to the left is because his head was hit twice almost simultaneously once from behind once from the grassy knoll area.

I believe it's beyond ridiculous to believe one guy pulled this off, with a $12 piece of shit Italian World War II weapon.

There were fake cops and fake secret service agents at Dealey Plaza that day.
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see… that wasn’t hard. I didn’t think you had “no opinion”.

Ok… where were these four shooters located? Do you believe Oswald was one of the shooters?
 
dbldwn711 said:
what was she referring to?
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I can't remember where I read it so I can't prove it but from what I read Jackie never believed the Oswald lone gunman theory. But again I can't prove that.
 
Nosferatu said:
I can't remember where I read it so I can't prove it but from what I read Jackie never believed the Oswald lone gunman theory. But again I can't prove that.
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fair enough. I’ll look into that. See if I can find anything on that.
 
Nosferatu said:
I believe there were four shooters and five shots fired.

The first shot came from the front and hit him in the neck.

The reason you see his head move slightly forward before being destroyed and moving back and to the left is because his head was hit twice almost simultaneously once from behind once from the grassy knoll area.

I believe it's beyond ridiculous to believe one guy pulled this off, with a $12 piece of shit Italian World War II weapon.

There were fake cops and fake secret service agents at Dealey Plaza that day.
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why do you believe there were fake cops and fake SS in dealey plaza that day?
 
dbldwn711 said:
see… that wasn’t hard. I didn’t think you had “no opinion”.

Ok… where were these four shooters located? Do you believe Oswald was one of the shooters?
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One off commerce street by the triple underpass
One in the grassy knoll
One in the Schoolbook Depository
One in the Dal-Tex building

Oswald was not one of the shooters
 
dbldwn711 said:
why do you believe there were fake cops and fake SS in dealey plaza that day?
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There had to be to keep the area clear and to collect anything that could be incriminating, photos things like that. This was just way bigger than anyone realizes.
 
dbldwn711 said:
see… that wasn’t hard. I didn’t think you had “no opinion”
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Honestly, I found my notes. I hadn't really done anything in regards to this in maybe 4 or 5 years so I had forgotten a lot.
 
Nosferatu said:
Honestly, I found my notes. I hadn't really done anything in regards to this in maybe 4 or 5 years so I had forgotten a lot.
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great!

let’s have a discussion! I’m not trying to prove/disprove what you think. I’m trying to understand it for MYSELF!

The blood thing you brought up the other day was very intriguing to me. Although I would consider it ancillary (it didn’t happen on 11/22 itself) if it were true it would show a reason to silence Oswald. Therefore, it would have undermined the lone gunman theory.

Does your notes have anything about the blood transfusion? Again, I couldn’t find anything on that but that certainly doesn’t mean it’s not out there. I only provided what I found on that. As I said, if there’s anything else let’s put it out there.
 
Nosferatu said:
There had to be to keep the area clear and to collect anything that could be incriminating, photos things like that. This was just way bigger than anyone realizes.
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ok… bad question on my part. I didn’t understand your answer at first but now I do.

What I should have asked was what reference/link/info are you relying upon for your belief that agents were there? I understand why you think they were there but what can we look at to determine if they actually were there.

I’ve found some stuff but it’s slow going. It seems like one of the more interesting guys is this officer Joseph smith who ran up the grassy knoll right after the shooting and says he encountered someone CLAIMING to be SS but he may not have been actual SS
 
broncosmitty said:
To see what THEY did to my husband.
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broncosmitty said:
She would’ve said Dallas if she was referring to Dallas.

Nobody refers to a city as they.
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Nosferatu said:
I can't remember where I read it so I can't prove it but from what I read Jackie never believed the Oswald lone gunman theory. But again I can't prove that.
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I found this reference to “they” in an article which I’ve attached below:


Right-wing opponents abhorred the fact that Kennedy was Catholic, disliked his proposal for Medicare and hated his support for integration. Approximately 5,000 copies of a flyer that stated Kennedy was "WANTED FOR TREASON" were distributed around Dallas before his visit. Given this, much of the nation initially assumed that a far-right component must have been responsible for his assassination.

Jackie likely shared this belief, as she'd seen for herself how disliked her husband was by some. On the day of his assassination, an anti-JFK ad in the Dallas Morning News asked why he was being "soft on Communism?" After taking in the ad, Kennedy had said to Jackie, "We’re really in 'nut country' now."

These political enemies may have been the intended recipients for Jackie's message of "I want them to see what they've done." When she later learned that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested for her husband's assassination, she reportedly said, "He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It's — it had to be some silly little Communist."

www.google.com

Why Jacqueline Kennedy Didn't Take Off Her Pink Suit After JFK Was Assassinated

The first lady continued to wear the outfit covered in her husband's blood to convey a message and as a way of coping with her own trauma.
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According to this article at least, she thought right wing extremists in Dallas killed her husband over his stance on such things as civil rights and other social programs.
 
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@batchaps4me

is this the NOVA show that you were talking about?

www.pbs.org

Cold Case JFK

Can modern forensic science uncover fresh clues about the assassination of JFK?
www.pbs.org

it says “not available for streaming” but it lists other ways to watch it like iTunes. Also, it has a transcript here but I’m sure this is much more of a visual show.

Here’s an interview they did. I think it’s from the same show

 
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