What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

@Nosferatu youve thrown a lot of talking points up. It’s much appreciated. You’ve also said that’s there’s just a lot of unanswered questions.

what would you say are the 1 or 2 biggest questions that you have regarding this case? What are the 1 or 2 biggest issues that are unresolved in your mind regarding this case?
 
Nosferatu said:
I believe it's obvious what it is.
Why does that matter?
Why does that matter?

If you doubt it's authenticity look it up and disprove it. You'll be able to find it.
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haha

I don’t doubt it. I’m interested in it. I’d like to see where it came from. Do you not want to provide that to me?
 
Did you know that when Oswald was put in a lineup it was with three other gents who were all dressed nicely, Oswald was a mess and had a black eye, they were all asked where they work and the three nicely dressed gents said they worked for the police department and Oswald said he worked at the School book depository. Yeah that seems legit right?
 
Rex Racer said:
Seems a simple enough premise. The physical and forensic evidence did not lead to one logical conclusion at the time (or now) so the mind melders at the CIA were able to spin it so that the LHO/lone gunman theory would become the prevailing narrative and here we are.

Just tossing darts at the board for shits and giggles really :noidea:
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I think the evidence does lead to a logical conclusion which is why I’m not following this. How did the CIA spin this lone gunman story? It was first presented by the WC
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
That doesn’t mean that exclusively. It could.

It could also mean the magic bullet did some one in a million thing and the one that came up against hard skull did what most do and came to pieces.

I was HUGE on the magic bullet and bullets don’t change direction in air like that. This was a huge piece for me. Then they were able to better analyze the situation and use computer modeling and found they were off in how both men were positioned. Combined with that was I saw the ballistics test with same bullet, bodies with ballistic gel and it coming out the same way. (Sorry I didn’t mention it earlier @batchaps4me ….but I remember that show too. Something like History Channel).
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im right with ya… before I read case closed the magic bullet for me was the real lynch pin that there was a conspiracy. As I started to read case closed lots of the ancillary issues got answered for me yet I was still thinking… how’s he gonna explain that magic bullet. He did. It’s hard to put egg into a post bc there’s a lot to it. Also, it’s still an issue for me but it really is the only thing that fits once you accept one shooter on the 6th floor firing 3 shots one hit the head and one hit the curb.
 
Nosferatu said:
Did you know that when Oswald was put in a lineup it was with three other gents who were all dressed nicely, Oswald was a mess and had a black eye, they were all asked where they work and the three nicely dressed gents said they worked for the police department and Oswald said he worked at the School book depository. Yeah that seems legit right?
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dbldwn711 said:
I think the evidence does lead to a logical conclusion which is why I’m not following this. How did the CIA spin this lone gunman story? It was first presented by the WC
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Maybe you've let the book you read satisfy your curiosity and you have made up your mind.

I still haven't made up my mind because I don't believe I'll ever get the whole, unvarnished truth from our government. Keep in mind that I don't lose any sleep over it, it's just a subject that makes for good debate.
 
SU Nittany Tide said:
I've always been fascinated by this but never really dug into it. I've always been on the fence on this while thing (probably because I've never dug in). I listen to a lot of true crime stuff mostly on possibly wrongfully convicted people. Is it without a doubt reliable the position corrections that made the magic bullet more feasible are true? I can't remember exactly what the updated position of the guy in front was but I remember it seeming odd.
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And of course I can’t find it now. I know I posted a diagram on it above, but I won’t ask you to dig back through all that. I’ll keep looking. The gist was that while the jump seats were narrow in that car they weren’t as narrow as once claimed. Connelly and Kennedy were more in line than thought.

That only solves the bullet zig zagging from Kennedy to Connelly though. The debate on the entrance and exit wounds on the magic bullet shot have been debated too. It’s probably pretty good reading a few pages back.

The other remaining debate is if the bullet could do all that and be in as good shape as it was. Ballistics tests with more modern technology have solved that question.
 
Just a couple other quick questions I truly don't know the answer to.

1. Why was the SS allowed to take Kennedy from Parkland without an autopsy?
2. Why was the limo immediately cleaned and repaired?


I believe the autopsy was performed in Bethesda by someone who had never done an autopsy of someone who was killed by a bullet. Correct me if i'm wrong.
 
Nosferatu said:
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Hillary Clinton GIF by Univision Noticias
 
Nosferatu said:
Did you know that when Oswald was put in a lineup it was with three other gents who were all dressed nicely, Oswald was a mess and had a black eye, they were all asked where they work and the three nicely dressed gents said they worked for the police department and Oswald said he worked at the School book depository. Yeah that seems legit right?
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Lineup for murdering Officer Tippet.

Women who identified him, had said he was short and stocky. With bushy hair. Lol
 
Clint Murchison
J. Edgar Hoover
Carlos Marcello - New Orleans Mafia
Richard Nixon
Bobby Baker - Secretary of the US Senate
D.H. Byrd - Owner of the Texas Book Depository

Just some of the people Murchison had out at the Del Charro Hotel in California

On the eve of the assassination Murchison had a party at his home in Texas, among the guests.
Lyndon Johnson
Richard Nixon
D.H. Byrd
J. Edgar Hoover - Guest of honor.
Other wealthy oilmen were also at this party.

At this party they had a closed door meeting, it's alleged by Lyndon Johnson's mistress that when Johnson came out of their meeting he grabbed her arm and said "After tomorrow those mother fucking Kennedy's will never make a fool of me again"

These stories were corroborated by the people who worked at Murchisons house, Cooks, house keepers etc...
 
Why were the Dallas Motorcycle cops ordered to ride behind the President instead of alongside him like was usually the case?

Why was the Kennedy limo the lead car instead of in the middle as was usually the case?

Normally there are 4-6 motorcycles but this day there was only two and again they were ordered to follow 10 feet back of the Kennedy limo.

The secret service also ordered the Dallas police be taken off the motorcade route and there was basically no crowd control, this is evident by them having to slow way down on Main St. because people were in the street.
 
Nosferatu said:
Just a couple other quick questions I truly don't know the answer to.

1. Why was the SS allowed to take Kennedy from Parkland without an autopsy?
2. Why was the limo immediately cleaned and repaired?


I believe the autopsy was performed in Bethesda by someone who had never done an autopsy of someone who was killed by a bullet. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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I can definitely provide some insight into number 1. By no means is this definitive but it’s some insight.

After Kennedy was declared dead Dallas officials wanted an autopsy in Dallas. They said it’s a murder that occurred in Dallas they have jurisdiction. SS said, nope … we’re leaving and we are taking the president with us. This was in no small part bc of Jackie Kennedy. She was insisting that they leave Dallas immediately. She was for obvious reasons pissed off and didn’t want to stay there. I’m pretty sure she also called Bobby to help get SS to take the president with them. Once they got on AF1 somebody approached Jackie to ask her where she wanted the autopsy performed. This person told her they would do it anywhere she wanted it performed. She told this person “there isn’t going to be an autopsy”. This person insisted that there HAD to be one and if she didn’t pick the place someone else would. This person then suggested a couple of different places that could perform the autopsy and one of them was Bethesda. Jackie then said “well, since Jack was a navy man let’s do it at Bethesda” but she only gave in once she realized she had to.

I’ll add this. Jackie was then asked if she wanted to change her clothes bc it had all the blood on it. She said “no! I want the world to see what they did to my husband”. That’s why she wore those clothes the whole time.

When the plane touched down in DC Kennedy was brought straight to Bethesda. The dr who performed the autopsy was notified when the plane was enroute. He had to cancel a dinner party of about 28 people that was to take place at his house that night.

Bethesda is a teaching hospital so it has a viewing area above the room. It was packed. Tough scenario to do anything covert.

lastly, there are conspiracy authors that focus their books on the autopsy. They say things Kennedy was sneaked in via a plain soldiers casket not the one that’s seen in all the photos. They also say that Kennedy’s body was operated on when it was on AF1 to alter the wounds. Both of these have been proven false.
 
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