Poll Which dead program is the most dead?

[osubuckeye89]

I personally do NOT think Michigan even belongs on the list. They are good enough now to typically beat everyone in the B1G not named Ohio State and if they catch Ohio State in a right matchup, they are winning and going to playoffs like last year. It is basically 1990s again in B1G with conference championship coming down to that game.

Yea from 2008-2014 you could maybe argue Michigan was somewhat dead/dying. But they've mostly been a 9/10 win team under Harbaugh. Maybe not national title contender caliber every year, but far from dead.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Yeah, I was gonna say Notre Dame has at least made the playoff. Man, I have to go with Miami. It is like a dumpster fire full of cow dung and wood shavings soaked in kerosene and lit with a flamethrower.

They’re way worse than they should be, and they are a tiny private school that takes academics seriously now, so they’re not out getting recruits that can barely read out of the ghetto anymore. They’re never gonna be the powerhouse they were from the 80’s through early 00’s again. But they’re in such a hot bed for recruits, I could see them becoming a team that can contend for natties every 5 or so years under the right coach.

Location matters a lot

 

[osubuckeye89]

They’re way worse than they should be, and they are a tiny private school that takes academics seriously now, so they’re not out getting recruits that can barely read out of the ghetto anymore. They’re never gonna be the powerhouse they were from the 80’s through early 00’s again. But they’re in such a hot bed for recruits, I could see them becoming a team that can contend for natties every 5 or so years under the right coach.

Location matters a lot

Someone mentioned Colorado.

I think this is a big problem for Colorado. In the 80s and 90s even earlier 2000s when they were a lot more competitive they could take whatever criminals, border line "students" or whatever they wanted. Now that they can't do that anymore it's a disaster.

 

[Volbound1700]

Someone mentioned Colorado.

I think this is a big problem for Colorado. In the 80s and 90s even earlier 2000s when they were a lot more competitive they could take whatever criminals, border line "students" or whatever they wanted. Now that they can't do that anymore it's a disaster.

Yeah kudos to @Thiefery because Colorado definitely belongs in this vote.

 

[7samurai13]

Someone mentioned Colorado.

I think this is a big problem for Colorado. In the 80s and 90s even earlier 2000s when they were a lot more competitive they could take whatever criminals, border line "students" or whatever they wanted. Now that they can't do that anymore it's a disaster.

So we have Nebraska and Colorado being very competitive for national attention while in the Big12 but become dead programs when they leave.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Yeah kudos to @Thiefery because Colorado definitely belongs in this vote.

Yea you could get away with a lot more of sneaking in talented guys who really had no business being on a college campus in the 80s/90s/earlier 2000s. That shits not gonna pass these days which is why some of these programs who were competitive in those times are hot messes now in modern times.

I think this to a extent applies to Nebraska as well, though not at the drastic level of Colorado

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Yeah kudos to @Thiefery because Colorado definitely belongs in this vote.

They don’t have enough natties to qualify

 

[Volbound1700]

Yea you could get away with a lot more of sneaking in talented guys who really had no business being on a college campus in the 80s/90s/earlier 2000s. That shits not gonna pass these days which is why some of these programs who were competitive in those times are hot messes now in modern times.

I think this to a extent applies to Nebraska as well, though not at the drastic level of Colorado

Also with both programs, the Big12 wasn't as strong in the 1990s as it is now. Teams like Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, etc. were just not good programs then and Colorado and Nebraska could rack up wins against them. Oklahoma was tough although they had a down spurt and Kansas State rose with Bill Synder who is one of the most underrated coaches ever for what he has done.

I think media exposure allows teams like Iowa State, Baylor, etc. to be more competitive today than they were in the 1990s. This hurts teams like Nebraska who use to just run over these programs annually.

Yes, I know Nebraska doesn't play these teams anymore but they did back then. Also some of the B1G teams like Illinois are very comparable with the former Big12 teams they used to play.

 

[Red_Alert]

I personally do NOT think Michigan even belongs on the list. They are good enough now to typically beat everyone in the B1G not named Ohio State and if they catch Ohio State in a right matchup, they are winning and going to playoffs like last year. It is basically 1990s again in B1G with conference championship coming down to that game.

^^ THIS^^

You could have had Michigan on the list at the end of the RichRod/Hoke era (2014), but not now.

I voted Nebraska because I'm looking at the 'right now'. Nebraska is certainly the "most dead" right now.

That could be an entirely different list 8 years from now.

 

[rsw626]

Yeah kudos to @Thiefery because Colorado definitely belongs in this vote.

They don’t have enough natties to qualify

Yeah. Except for the last 5-6 McCartney years, they really have nothing to speak about.

And their one shared Natty needed an 5th down and a botched call against ND in the Orange bowl.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Yeah. Except for the last 5-6 McCartney years, they really have nothing to speak about.

And their one shared Natty needed an 5th down and a botched call against ND in the Orange bowl.

I’m a UGA and before last year Tech fans used it as ammo that they had a more recent natty than UGA, but as far as I’m concerned, that’s GT’s natty no need to share

 

[Red_Alert]

Yea from 2008-2014 you could maybe argue Michigan was somewhat dead/dying. But they've mostly been a 9/10 win team under Harbaugh. Maybe not national title contender caliber every year, but far from dead.

 

[Volbound1700]

One interesting option not mentioned yet is Arkansas.

Arkansas was regularly competing for titles in Southwest. They haven't had a title contending team since joining the SEC but they still rank in top 25 all-time programs.

Going back to Colorado, I think perhaps the criteria should be all-time CFB rankings. If they are in the top 25, they probably deserve to be discussed:

That being said, I thought Colorado was in the top 25 but they are NOT so yeah perhaps they don't belong.

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Some other interesting programs not being discussed that are in top 25 besides Arkansas above are Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Washington, FSU, and Ole Miss.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Also with both programs, the Big12 wasn't as strong in the 1990s as it is now. Teams like Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, etc. were just not good programs then and Colorado and Nebraska could rack up wins against them. Oklahoma was tough although they had a down spurt and Kansas State rose with Bill Synder who is one of the most underrated coaches ever for what he has done.

I think media exposure allows teams like Iowa State, Baylor, etc. to be more competitive today than they were in the 1990s. This hurts teams like Nebraska who use to just run over these programs annually.

Yes, I know Nebraska doesn't play these teams anymore but they did back then. Also some of the B1G teams like Illinois are very comparable with the former Big12 teams they used to play.

I think Nebraska WAS a juggernaut, it wasn't just the Big 12/Big 8 not being that great that made them successful. You could make that case for Colorado though.

Oklahoma was pretty mediocre in the 90s too. They only finished in the top 25 3 times from 1990-1999

Texas A&M was actually a MUCH better program that decade than OU, but most of their success was when they were in the SWC. They crashed back to reality once they jumped to the Big 12.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

One interesting option not mentioned yet is Arkansas.

Arkansas was regularly competing for titles in Southwest. They haven't had a title contending team since joining the SEC but they still rank in top 25 all-time programs.

Going back to Colorado, I think perhaps the criteria should be all-time CFB rankings. If they are in the top 25, they probably deserve to be discussed:

That being said, I thought Colorado was in the top 25 but they are NOT so yeah perhaps they don't belong.

Ranking college football's 25 best programs of all time

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Some other interesting programs not being discussed that are in top 25 besides Arkansas above are Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Washington, FSU, and Ole Miss.

Buddy, multiple natties is listed as a requirement for consideration in the OP. Arky has one in 1964 that Bama has no business claiming, but does because they’re pathetic

 

[Volbound1700]

I think Nebraska WAS a juggernaut, it wasn't just the Big 12/Big 8 not being that great that made them successful. You could make that case for Colorado though.

Oklahoma was pretty mediocre in the 90s too. They only finished in the top 25 3 times from 1990-1999

Texas A&M was actually a MUCH better program that decade than OU, but most of their success was when they were in the SWC. They crashed back to reality once they jumped to the Big 12.

I don't disagree with the juggernaut comment at all. They won at the National Level and actually had a big-time OOC schedule. I just think it made it easier for Nebraska in the proceeding decades to build towards that 1990s level.

To be fair, you can say that about almost any major CFB program though.

 

[osubuckeye89]

One interesting option not mentioned yet is Arkansas.

Arkansas was regularly competing for titles in Southwest. They haven't had a title contending team since joining the SEC but they still rank in top 25 all-time programs.

Going back to Colorado, I think perhaps the criteria should be all-time CFB rankings. If they are in the top 25, they probably deserve to be discussed:

That being said, I thought Colorado was in the top 25 but they are NOT so yeah perhaps they don't belong.

Ranking college football's 25 best programs of all time

...

247sports.com

Some other interesting programs not being discussed that are in top 25 besides Arkansas above are Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Washington, FSU, and Ole Miss.

Washington another team that fits in the "they cant just take anyone anymore" category with Colorado.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I don't disagree with the juggernaut comment at all. They won at the National Level and actually had a big-time OOC schedule. I just think it made it easier for Nebraska in the proceeding decades to build towards that 1990s level.

To be fair, you can say that about almost any major CFB program though.

There was a lot less parity in CFB then, yes. You could say about them same thing of any teams that were dominant in those eras.

 

[Volbound1700]

Washington another team that fits in the "they cant just take anyone anymore" category with Colorado.

Yeah but I gave my distinction in that programs have to be rated in the all-time top 25 category for consideration. That is a cut-off which eliminated Colorado.

Michigan State, I think, has multiple titles so if we go with multiple title argument, they belong. Then again, you have to include most the Ivy League under that scenario

 

[osubuckeye89]

Yeah but I gave my distinction in that programs have to be rated in the all-time top 25 category for consideration. That is a cut-off which eliminated Colorado.

Michigan State, I think, has multiple titles so if we go with multiple title argument, they belong. Then again, you have to include most the Ivy League under that scenario

The great majority of Michigan State's success was in the 1950s and 1960s

Outside of 2010-2015 they are really a mediocre at best program since the 1970s. outside of a few outlier years here and there.