Who will be the top 5 Big Ten programs over the NEXT 5 seasons?

Across The Field said:
That's not relevant to what I was asking since there aren't divisions anymore. When was the last time the top B1G team was ranked 2nd and the next best B1G team was ranked 11 or 12? Iowa was 16th but they were the 4th highest ranked B1G team.
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But it won't be "next best" based on national ranking. It will be "next best" based on B10 record.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But it won't be "next best" based on national ranking. It will be "next best" based on B10 record.
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And the answer is still the same. OSU was 2nd, and PSU/Iowa were tied for 3rd but PSU had the tiebreaker since they destroyed Iowa H2H, so Iowa would not sniff the B1G CCG without divisions. Again, it's an extremely rare occasion, what you're referring to.
 
Across The Field said:
And the answer is still the same. OSU was 2nd, and PSU/Iowa were tied for 3rd but PSU had the tiebreaker since they destroyed Iowa H2H, so Iowa would not sniff the B1G CCG without divisions. Again, it's an extremely rare occasion, what you're referring to.
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Didn't take long to find a clusterfuck. 2019 B10 standings

Ohio State 9-0 in conference, ranked ranked #1

Penn State, Minnesota and Wisconsin all tied in the B10 2nd spot at 7-2

Minnesota beat Penn State, lost to Wisconsin
Wisconsin beat Minnesota, didn't play Penn State
Penn State lost to Minnesota, didn't play Wisconsin

Rankings before the B10 CCG

Wisc #8
Penn State #10
Minn #18

Not entirely sure how that tiebreaker works in the current system, but there's a ton of potential fo borderline teams to make it into the CCG there.

I expect this kind of clusterfuck to be a regular occurance, especially with 18 teams.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Didn't take long to find a clusterfuck. 2019 B10 standings

Ohio State 9-0 in conference, ranked ranked #1

Penn State, Minnesota and Wisconsin all tied in the B10 2nd spot at 7-2

Minnesota beat Penn State, lost to Wisconsin
Wisconsin beat Minnesota, didn't play Penn State
Penn State lost to Minnesota, didn't play Wisconsin

Rankings before the B10 CCG

Wisc #8
Penn State #10
Minn #18

Not entirely sure how that tiebreaker works in the current system, but there's a ton of potential fo borderline teams to make it into the CCG there.

I expect this kind of clusterfuck to be a regular occurance, especially with 18 teams.
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You found an example where #1 played #8. After the CCG that year, OSU was #2, Wisconsin was #8, and PSU was #10. That example does not help your point in the slightest.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Didn't take long to find a clusterfuck. 2019 B10 standings

Ohio State 9-0 in conference, ranked ranked #1

Penn State, Minnesota and Wisconsin all tied in the B10 2nd spot at 7-2

Minnesota beat Penn State, lost to Wisconsin
Wisconsin beat Minnesota, didn't play Penn State
Penn State lost to Minnesota, didn't play Wisconsin

Rankings before the B10 CCG

Wisc #8
Penn State #10
Minn #18

Not entirely sure how that tiebreaker works in the current system, but there's a ton of potential fo borderline teams to make it into the CCG there.

I expect this kind of clusterfuck to be a regular occurance, especially with 18 teams.
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Yeah but Wisconsin didn't drop after losing that game (funny enough, Ohio State dropped after winning it) so this kind of flies in the face of your theory.
 
Across The Field said:
You found an example where #1 played #8. After the CCG that year, OSU was #2, Wisconsin was #8, and PSU was #10. That example does not help your point in the slightest.
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fishinabarrel said:
Yeah but Wisconsin didn't drop after losing that game (funny enough, Ohio State dropped after winning it) so this kind of flies in the face of your theory.
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But that was only because of the west division excluding Penn State. And Penn State lost to the other team tied for 2nd, Minnesota. Creating a 3 team tie that didn't exist in 2019 because of the divisions.

How they drop really depends on what teams do/lose around them. Especially important when the playoff expands to 12. They mostly just considered the top 4 in the past, most of the rankings below that just didn't change because there was no need to.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But that was only because of the west division excluding Penn State. And Penn State lost to the other team tied for 2nd, Minnesota. Creating a 3 team tie that didn't exist in 2019 because of the divisions.

How they drop really depends on what teams do/lose around them. Especially important when the playoff expands to 12. They mostly just considered the top 4 in the past, most of the rankings below that just didn't change because there was no need to.
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This doesn't illustrate your point about teams not wanting to play in the CCG at all. You provided an example where #1 played #8 and there was also still #10 Penn State, all 3 would've made the playoff and nobody dropped from the CCG. Do you have any other examples or...?
 
Across The Field said:
This doesn't illustrate your point about teams not wanting to play in the CCG at all. You provided an example where #1 played #8 and there was also still #10 Penn State, all 3 would've made the playoff and nobody dropped from the CCG. Do you have any other examples or...?
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The playoff committee doesn't spend time re-ranking the whole group like that in the 4 team playoff. Most of the teams stay the same in their final post-CCG ranking for a reason. Because they don't matter. Now they do matter, which changes the format.

Note in the AP poll Wisconsin dropped from 10 to 11 and Penn State from 12 to 13. A poll that actually re-ranks the full list through the end of the season.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The playoff committee doesn't spend time re-ranking the whole group like that in the 4 team playoff. Most of the teams stay the same in their final post-CCG ranking for a reason. Because they don't matter. Now they do matter, which changes the format.

Note in the AP poll Wisconsin dropped from 10 to 11 and Penn State from 12 to 13. A poll that actually re-ranks the full list through the end of the season.
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9 teams outside of the top 4 had their ranking change in the CFP rankings following the CCGs, including 4 teams between #6-#13 who had no shot of making the CFP, so they do re-rank several teams. Could be that Wisconsin didn't drop because they genuinely still thought they were the 8th best team? Also the AP poll means nothing considering it doesn't impact the CFP rankings in the slightest.
 
1. Oregon - might have the best HC/support system combo in the conference right now.
2. Ohio State - Buckeyes can swap with Oregon if Day can bring em a National Championship but…
3. Penn State - Franklin is solid but not great, at least not yet.
4. USC - If Woody can finally get it through his head that there is more to the game than offense USC could rise to the top 1-3 but.. SC should still have enough talent to hang in the top 5.
5. Nebraska - Rhule will have the Huskers on the move.

I’m not buying Michigan under Moore just yet and may not ever TBH.
 
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1 Ohio State
2 Oregon
3 Michigan
4 Penn State
5 Michigan State

Others that could make a lot of noise:
6 USC
7 Nebraska
8 Wisconsin
9 Washington
 
Indiana
Purdue
Rutger
UCLA
Illinois
 
OlyDuck said:
Floyd of Rosedale
Heroes Trophy
Heartland Trophy
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Floyd is the only one that matters.
The other two were made up recently.
Not that I care! :)
 
Right now I would go:

1. Ohio State
2. Oregon
3. Penn State
4. Michigan
5. USC

I also considered Michigan State (don't underestimate Smith), Nebraska, Washington, Wisconsin and Iowa.

Michigan is the biggest question mark right now IMO. They've won the Big Ten three years in a row but they're losing most of that coaching staff and have an unproven coach.
 
1. Oregon
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Penn State
5. Washington
 
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