What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

[Volbound1700]

Out of curiosity, is there a process for kicking out members with the SEC? I am not sure there is even a process to do it.

I think the Notre Dame situation stopped all expansion for B1G and SEC and will keep ACC a float for the time being.

Big12 and Pac12 situation is still to be sorted out.

 

[Top Cat]

Out of curiosity, is there a process for kicking out members with the SEC? I am not sure there is even a process to do it.

I think the Notre Dame situation stopped all expansion for B1G and SEC and will keep ACC a float for the time being.

Big12 and Pac12 situation is still to be sorted out.

I was kind of thinking more tier 1 payouts, tier 2, and so on and so forth if that's possible.

I don't think schools will be kicked out, they might receive a paycut though.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I just don’t think they will do it. Numbers today will not reflect what will happen when this is over. The decisions made will literally drive the schools chosen up and the ones not down.

If Bedlam is stopped OUS numbers drop considerably. You put Florida, FSU and Miami in a pod and you’ve got a ratings banaza.

The populations of Virginia and NC keeps VT and NCS in serious contention. It just does. The SEC owns the state of Oklahoma after 2025 anyway. So I think the upside is greater.

Virginia's population is heavily skewed by northern Virginia. Both UVa and VaTech have relatively small alumni groups for that reason.

I agree the Florida schools are attractive, and Clemson obviously is.

Taking UNC gives you NC eyeballs. NCState is the proverbial little brother we don't need or want.

Clemson, FSU, Miami and OkSU would be best for 4. Add 2 of Louisville, UVa, Duke or Kansas to get your last 2, emphasizing hoops and giving you some teams to beat up on.

 

[Volbound1700]

Yeah, the urbanization in those states is partially what makes them seem more like a B1G fit than they ever would have been 20 years ago.

In my mind, i still picture old victorian south when I think of Virginia and North Carolina. Stark contrast with my mental image of most of the other SEC states where i just picture Deliverance. Except Louisiana. That state i just picture tigerbait eating crawdads, chugging beer, and spewing indecipherable coonass nonsense.

You haven't been to the South have you? Most Southern States are more up-to-date and in better shape than Michigan and Ohio now.

Keep in mind Tennessee has Belmont, Lipscomb, Rhodes College (in Memphis), and Vanderbilt. Yes, North Carolina has great schools as well but it isn't like there isn't that commonality.

Tennessee is interesting because Memphis fits the deep south culture that you see in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. Middle Tennessee area is more like Raleigh, North Carolina or Louisville, Kentucky area while East Tennessee probably has some similarities to West Virginia and Eastern North Carolina (although Chattanooga and Knoxville are awesome towns).

Florida has its own culture (or cultures). The Panhandle is very redneck, frankly more redneck than any of the other Southern States based on my visit, Tampa is its own culture, and Miami is its own culture. Florida has so many different people that it is hard to grasp.

Louisiana (as well as some parts of Mississippi and Alabama) have the Cajun culture which is very unique.

Texas is well Texas. They think they are their own country.

So even in the South, you have quite a variety.

 

[Wild Turkey]

True. However, I think the B1G will still want them. B1G can threaten to end USC matchup and that get Notre Dame thinking.

However, I am thinking Notre Dame may push for further considerations. I still think Boston College is a missing link. That is a big game for Notre Dame. I could see another series where Notre Dame asks for Boston College, Pittsburgh (or Georgia Tech) and Stanford to be in the B1G.

ND probably will make inquiries about Stanford as that makes sense for them but I don’t see them caring for anyone else on your list. Pitt and GT make no sense to me and they can schedule a series with BC anytime they want.

The B1G probably wants GT and UVA anyway but I don’t see them taking Pitt and Penn State would probably have a stroke if they did.

 

[OlyDuck]

When you start getting into tandem schools, this thing becomes an enormous headache, far bigger than it already is.

CAL/Stanford

Oregon/Oregon State

Washington/Wazzu

Arizona/ASU

Utah/Colorado

Those are your basic duo's remaining from the PAC. UW and Oregon would bounce to the B1G or SEC in a second and break their duo without even second guessing.

Otherwise, I dont see those groups splitting up. Unless of course, they think the PAC is doomed and bolt on their own to another accepting conference (Again the Arizona schools are ones to keep an eye on in this scenario) Because I dont see suddenly Oregon/Or State suddenly going to the Big12 if they think the PAC is done for. Because it wouldn't really work. You'd have to likely take the Washington schools with you. And same goes for Washington school's, doesnt make sense for them to just up and leave for the Big12 without the Oregon schools.


CAL is likely in the absolute worse situation here. No fanbase, no internal athletic support, sure they could hitch their wagon to Stanford, but how stable is that wagon?

Utah and Colorado are only a tandem because the pac made them such. i could easily see them work independent of each other.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

West Virginia will give the SEC their (small) endowment to be in the SEC. Sadly I don’t think it’ll ever happen man, we don’t raise the pie any and football has fallen off a bunch. The ACC has a lot of rivals but that conference would be a shell of itself if we were ever allowed to join. I’m hoping this B12 thing pans out. The travel sucks but it is cool to play some of the bigger names we have and potentially could if things come together.

But the SEC is a dream.

I am liking the B12 more and more if they add those 6 teams from the PAC. You also appear to have an entertainment oriented commissioner who could shake things up. Do something like 2 divisions, 12th week you play 1 v. 2, 2 v. 1, and the 3 v. 3, 4 v. 4. Then the two winners of those first 2 games play for the Conf championship. Schedule crazy OOC games with all takers from the SEC and the B1G. Own Thurs and Friday night as much as I hate the idea. He's going to have to try new and crazy things.

 

[Volbound1700]

Virginia's population is heavily skewed by northern Virginia. Both UVa and VaTech have relatively small alumni groups for that reason.

I agree the Florida schools are attractive, and Clemson obviously is.

Taking UNC gives you NC eyeballs. NCState is the proverbial little brother we don't need or want.

Clemson, FSU, Miami and OkSU would be best for 4. Add 2 of Louisville, UVa, Duke or Kansas to get your last 2, emphasizing hoops and giving you some teams to beat up on.

We did that for A&M and that worked well. A&M was threatening to leave Texas in dust in recruiting and Texas jumped to SEC. SEC would add NC State to threaten UNC if UNC went to B1G. NC State would start stealing fans, recruits, etc. being in the SEC similar to how A&M was taking the limelight away from Texas slowly (it didn't help that Texas was struggling as well).

However, I think UNC will come to SEC. Everything that I am hearing from rumors is that UNC was interested in SEC over B1G.

 

[Top Cat]

Utah and Colorado are only a tandem because the pac made them such. i could easily see them work independent of each other.

I'd love a pod of KU/KSU/ISU/CU, personally. All BIG 8 schools.

 

[OlyDuck]

I think Cal is going to call it quits on major college sports and go the route of Ivy League and become Academic focus. Stanford may do the same if they don't get picked up.

Pac12 is in trouble because they won't get a great TV deal without UCLA/USC.

some of the talking heads have stated their belief that the Pac 10 value would still be above the new Big XII and would be split among fewer schools.

 

[OregonDucks]

Utah and Colorado are only a tandem because the pac made them such. i could easily see them work independent of each other.

I'm wondering if the Big12 would even accept Colorado back. Given Colorado left them, for at the time they thought greener pastures. I dont think the Denver market is as important as people initially thought.

 

[Cowboyinexile]

I see Oklahoma State being that team to fill in a spot if we don't have an even number of teams. I think that would help Oklahoma as well with the move because it restores Bedlam.

I don't think they are a team that the SEC will pursue but definitely fills in a missing cog. Curious to know if Oklahoma State even wants to go to SEC though. Keep in mind, SEC has only let in teams that have inquired in the past.

If the SEC came calling there would be a Pistol Pete sized hole in the wall of the Big 12 offices.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

We did that for A&M and that worked well. A&M was threatening to leave Texas in dust in recruiting and Texas jumped to SEC. SEC would add NC State to threaten UNC if UNC went to B1G. NC State would start stealing fans, recruits, etc. being in the SEC similar to how A&M was taking the limelight away from Texas slowly (it didn't help that Texas was struggling as well).

However, I think UNC will come to SEC. Everything that I am hearing from rumors is that UNC was interested in SEC over B1G.

I live 15 minutes from NSCU. My neighborhood has alumni all throughout the place. We have dozens of kids from the neighborhood, a hundred plus from our high school that go there every year. Trust me, they are nothing like ATM. They are the most insecure fanbase in the country. And, as the eyeballs show there isn't that much interest. NCState isn't going to start stealing anything from UNC.

 

[Volbound1700]

ND probably will make inquiries about Stanford as that makes sense for them but I don’t see them caring for anyone else on your list. Pitt and GT make no sense to me and they can schedule a series with BC anytime they want.

The B1G probably wants GT and UVA anyway but I don’t see them taking Pitt and Penn State would probably have a stroke if they did.

Well something is not making Notre Dame happy about arrangement with B1G even if they keep Stanford. Boston College is in a market not currently held by B1G.

I can perhaps see your argument with the others. Maybe Syracuse is another one that comes into the picture for Up-State New York? Keep in mind that Catholicism is bigger in the Northeast versus the other areas of the country.

 

[OlyDuck]

if the rumored 6 do in fact go to Big XII that means those 6 paired to who? BYU and TT are the obvious western most. but at 18 thats 9 per division. so Baylor? TCU? Kansas St?

 

[Volbound1700]

If the SEC came calling there would be a Pistol Pete sized hole in the wall of the Big 12 offices.

True but you have to ask and I am serious about that one. If Oklahoma State doesn't ask, they won't be considered. From what I have been told, SEC has only considered schools that have asked with the exception of one school: Florida State in 1990 was pursued by SEC without asking.

 

[Tharvot]

You haven't been to the South have you? Most Southern States are more up-to-date and in better shape than Michigan and Ohio now.

Keep in mind Tennessee has Belmont, Lipscomb, Rhodes College (in Memphis), and Vanderbilt. Yes, North Carolina has great schools as well but it isn't like there isn't that commonality.

Tennessee is interesting because Memphis fits the deep south culture that you see in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. Middle Tennessee area is more like Raleigh, North Carolina or Louisville, Kentucky area while East Tennessee probably has some similarities to West Virginia and Eastern North Carolina (although Chattanooga and Knoxville are awesome towns).

Florida has its own culture (or cultures). The Panhandle is very redneck, frankly more redneck than any of the other Southern States based on my visit, Tampa is its own culture, and Miami is its own culture. Florida has so many different people that it is hard to grasp.

Louisiana (as well as some parts of Mississippi and Alabama) have the Cajun culture which is very unique.

Texas is well Texas. They think they are their own country.

So even in the South, you have quite a variety.

lol, dude i've lived in the south most of my life...well if you consider Texas south. Depending on the part of TX you're in, you can be any number of different cultural influences.

Most of that is tongue-in-cheek. Though I do like to think of the entire state of louisiana as a bunch of wildass cajuns.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I'm wondering if the Big12 would even accept Colorado back. Given Colorado left them, for at the time they thought greener pastures. I dont think the Denver market is as important as people initially thought.

It’s about killing off the PAC, realistically right now the PAC seems like the only one that would be able to end the B12. The SEC and B1G would maybe add 1 each from the B12 but that won’t kill it. That’s why getting Az schools and Colorado/Utah is so important For the B12. It all but ends the PAC and saves the B12.

 

[Volbound1700]

some of the talking heads have stated their belief that the Pac 10 value would still be above the new Big XII and would be split among fewer schools.

I find that hard to believe because Big12 contract came close to the Pac12 with UCLA and USC right now. Granted, I think Big12 did a hell of a job with their negotiation because I do think the Pac12 has better brands.

 

[Top Cat]

I'm wondering if the Big12 would even accept Colorado back. Given Colorado left them, for at the time they thought greener pastures. I dont think the Denver market is as important as people initially thought.

Why not? Former Big 8 school. Denver market. If we're going to be extremely petty towards one school that left, it'd be Texas. This isn't about ruthlessly growing the pot so much as it is survival.