Is college football in danger of losing popularity

Kind the opposite side of the coin, when my oldest played rec ball here in NC, there was a kid he played against for several years who was so much better than everyone else that I said, "he will go a long way." His parents were good people, and he was a good kid. But, he was a man amongst boys. He'd get a hit every time, steal second and third, and then go half way down the line to home. Didn't matter what the kids did, he would score. He and my son became friends and he kept getting better and better. He was on our very good HS team ... my son was not good enough to make it but was the manager so he could hang around his friends. He was drafted by the Angels in the middle of the 1st round by the Angels and considered their 4th best prospect. He would have been AAA this year, and was on their 60 man roster this year.

I know I am going way beyond your post and this thread, but I think from your posts you and a few others will enjoy this. Baseball USA is located here in Cary. Incredible baseball complex where all the 8U, 12U, 16U, 18U and college USA national teams train. Every year they have the National High School Invitational tournament. The best 15 high school teams are brought in from all over the USA, with a local team that serves as the host team. Our HS team is good - state runner up a few years ago - but far from nationally elite. They were the host team, which always loses early, for the most part against these national powerhouses. Anyway, it's a fantastic tournament and our kids just kept winning. Ended up in the finals where they lost. But what an experience. The kid I was talking about, Jordyn Adams was a star in the tournament. As MLB said - "Adams jumped more firmly onto the Draft map with a breakout performance at USA Baseball’s National High School Invitational in 2018." Again, my son was the manager and is the kid with the maroon shirt on. Sorry for the long story:


You’re not too far from my sister. She’s in Holly Springs.
 
You’re not too far from my sister. She’s in Holly Springs.
You and your family following me around? LOL ... this is a great place to live and raise kids. Been here 20 years and love it.
 
You and your family following me around? LOL ... this is a great place to live and raise kids. Been here 20 years and love it.
Lol. I think she’s been there longer,

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So how does a program like Minnesota whose dominance spanned AT LEAST 8 entire decades. Natties won in 5 of those decades by 3 different coaches, Conf Titles won in 7 of the 8, and multiple players from 7 of those 8 decades are enshrined in the Cfb Hall of Fame, and former Gophers kicking tail in pro football spans across EVERY decade for the last 13 decades, from the very first Pro fb player in history, Pudge Heffelfinger whose statue greets everyone visiting the Pro Football Hall of Fame at the entrance, to Tony Dungy becoming the first ever Black coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl Title just over a decade ago. In between, Pudge's time at Minnesota and becoming the first ever pro fb player in history, and Dungy's historic Super Bowl win, a UMner invented Cheerleading, then Pudge, as an asst to Head Coach Henry L Williams helped Williams develop the 4 man backfield which contributed to UMn's undefeated team stopping Michigan's Point a minute squad, tying the eventual Natl Champs in 1903. Bobby Marshall became the first black player to play in the B1G Conf. Williams was one of the first to propose the forward pass and one of the first to utilize it successfully in the teens. In 1920 former Gopher Bobby Marshall became the first ever black fb player to play in the NFL. Former Gopher Gil Dobie was establishing the long held cfb record unbeaten streak that was so long, it spanned THREE different coaching gigs, including his entire career at the University of Washington. This is a record that may never be matched. In the 20s Bronko Nagurski was so good he was named to the All-American team at 3 different positions, 2 in the same year even. And this was legit, as the DEFENSIVE Cfb POY Award is named after him, yet he was inducted into the Pro Fb Hall of Fame as an offensive player as a Fullback and was so good a famous movie scene was all about how Nagurski came out of retirement to help his old team win the Championship again in 1943. Former Gophers were coached so well by Henry Williams that they even shared Natl Titles as coaches as they did in 1940 when both Bernie Bierman coaching the Gophers went undefeated and were named Natl Champs and Clark Shaughnessy coaching Stanford went undefeated and were also named Natl Champs. So good were former Gophers at coaching, that Tulane University hired 3 straight former Gophers to coach them and for 3-4 decades Tulane was actually a blue blood. And at least one of the Natl Titles Bierman won at Minnesota was called the Henry L Williams Trophy, as it was renamed that after Minnesota won the Knute Rockne Trophy 3 times in a row. Had Bierman won the Title in 1942, it would have been retired and renamed after him possibly? But instead, Bierman's dominance at Minnesota was so dominating that it literally took the US Govt choosing to get involved in WW2 to end UMn's dominance as they were picked to win the Natl Title again, in 1942, which would have been their 6th Title in 9 years, but instead Bierman was taken away and placed as the coach of the Iowa Seahawks military training team, and over half of the Gopher's players were scooped away for military service several who ended up playing AGAINST the Gophers, including Unanimous All-American Bill Daley who finished 7th in the Heisman voting in 1943. But the kick in the nuts was when it was the Iowa Seahawks coached by Bernie Bierman himself and with a roster that included several former Gophers, were the team that ended UMn's winning streak. So it was Notre Dame who eventually retired the Henry L Williams trophy and got it renamed. After the war and after Bernie Bierman had to try to rebuild the program basically from scratch with players who, Bud Grant admitted to later on, didn't respond well to Bierman's coaching style because of their wartime experiences. They were probably good enough to win another Title in 1949 but the bad attitudes of the players, Bud Grant himself admitted, cost the team their 2 losses. So after Bierman who was already very old, retired, and UMn had missed out on the opportunity to hire either former Gophers Biggie Munn or Bud Wilkinson who combined dominated the late 1940s and early 1950s cfb scene, the UMn admin went with an outsider, and his failing to make an immediate impact got them seriously considering giving up on football all together, but then Warmath came out of nowhere, partly due to his being one of the first to bring in lots of black players, unusual in the 50s, and won the Natl Title in 1960 and continued doing well throughout the 60s. UMn's influence on the game of football in the 50s and into the 60s was SO WIDE, that former Gophers were taking turns coaching their teams to the CFL Grey Cup Championship game, and former Gophers were taking turns coaching their cfb teams to Natl Titles, all while UMn was doing fairly good as well. In 1962, Wisc, coached by a former Gopher, finished #2, Oklahoma, coached by a former Gopher finished #8, UMn finished #10, and Mizzou, coached by a former UMn-Duluth player, who was coached by a former Gopher, finished #12 in the nation all while Bud Grant's team was winning the Grey Cup Title. Biggie Munn stepped away from the sideline to lead MSU into the B1G conf as their Athletic Director, Bud Wilkinson retired soon after the 62 season and went into politics and being a game announcer/commentator and a very good one I've read, Devine moved on to Notre Dame and a Natl Title and infamy in how he was portrayed in the movie Rudy, Bud Grant went on into a Pro Hall of Fame career as an NFL coach, and Murray Warmath retired soon after winning a share of the Big Ten title in 1967 and unfortunately not getting his name in the cfb Hall of Fame where it probably deserves to be. Warmath's players went on to dominate in the NFL in the late 1960s and well into the 1970s and even a few into the 1980s. Bierman's former players continued coaching as late as into the 80s, as well as at least one of Warmath's players although most of his ended up playing in the NFL, not coaching. And Bierman's and that one Warmath player's impact on the game lasted into the 21st Century as both Tony Dungy and multiple CFL Title winning Coach Marc Trestman played for Cal Stoll while he was coaching Minnesota and beating #1 ranked Michigan in 77. And among Joe Salem's assistant coaches were Mike Martz and Mike Shanahan.

Now I'm sure I missed a bunch. The B1G conf didn't allow B1G teams to play in bowl games for most of UMn's peak years, so they weren't able to build up a ton of bowl game wins like some programs, yet since they became supposedly "irrelevant", they still were able to play in Bowl games in each of the last 6 decades, and have gotten to a bowl game in 15 of the 20 years of the 21st Century, so far, winning 7 of them, including their last 4.

Did I mention that UMn has had players end up the high pt scorer in the entire NFL 10 times by 4 different players in 4 different decades?

Did I mention that UMn has had players end up as NFL All-Decade players 10 times in 6 different decades, more than any other school that I am aware of, as I checked after the 2000s all-Decade team, not after the 2010s team came out.

Looking at the teams on that list,
UMn has SIX Recognized Titles & 4-6 Poll Era Titles(34 AP & 35 UPI polls make it 6 for UMn), and UMn has a

1-0 record vs Bama,
1-0 record vs Clemson. Clemson has just 3 Poll Era Titles, and 3 Recognized Titles.
1-0 record vs Auburn. Auburn has just 2 Poll Era Titles, and 3 Recognized Titles.
1-0 record vs Texas. UT has just 5 Poll Era Titles and 4 Recognized Titles.
1-0 record vs Ark. Ark has just 1 recognized Title
1-0 record vs GT. GT has just 1 Poll Era Title and 4 Recognized Titles
33-25-2 rcrd vs Nebraska
10-7 record vs Washington
9-3 record vs Pitt. Pitt has just 2 Poll Era Titles.
2-1 record vs UCLA. UCLA has just 1 Poll Era Title & only 1 Recognized Title.
62-49-2 rcrd vs Iowa. Iowa has ZERO Poll Era Titles, but 1 Recognized Title.
1-1-1 rcrd vs Stanford. Stanford has ZERO Poll Era Titles, but 1 Recognized Title.

That's 12 of the 30 teams on that list. UMn's cumulative record vs those 12 blue bloods & potential blue bloods is

123-86-5

61-37-3 not including Iowa.

We never played Geo, LSU, Flor, A&M, FSU, Miami, VT or WVU.

That brings it to TWENTY. 20 of the 30 teams on that list either never played the Gophers or do NOT have a winning record vs the Gophers. Of the teams on that list, who have not played Minnesota, lets compare # of Titles

UMn = 6 Recognized Titles. 4/6 Poll Era Titles.
LSU = 5 Recognized Titles. 4 Poll Era Titles.
Mia = 5 Recognized Titles. 5 Poll Era Titles.
Flor = 3 Recognized Titles. 3 Poll Era Titles.
FSU = 3 Recognized Titles. 3 Poll Era Titles.
VTch = 0 Recognized Titles. 0 Poll Era Titles.
WVU = 0 Recognized Titles. 0 Poll Era Titles.

Michigan, just for those who are interested? Just TWO poll Era Titles. Pitt also has only 2 Poll Era Titles.
Col, Geo, GT, A&M, UCLA all only have 1 Poll Era Title.

Of the 10 remaining teams, Tennessee has just a 0-1 record vs UMn, and just 2 Poll Era Titles & only 4 Recognized Titles.
PSU has just a 6-9 advantage over Minnesota in head to head, & PSU has just 2 Poll Era Titles & only 4 Recognized Titles.

OSU & Mich have massive advantages over the Gophers, as does Notre Dame and USC.

That leaves Oklahoma, of the 8 legit Blue Bloods, with a decent advantage over the Gophers, but I must remind you all, it was a former Gopher that made Oklahoma into what they are, Bud Wilkinson led them to their first three Titles.

You forgot to mention Minnesota is 32-120 against UM and OSU. That could be why those schools have a massive advantage over UMn
 
Baseball coach at the high school where my wife was a counselor and our daughters graduated from was a friend of ours. After season we were waiting on him to join us for our Wednesday afternoon administrators/coach 9 hole weekly scramble that involved a lot more beer than golf. He asked us to put him the last group. Had a couple of parents conferences the day after the last game.

After he gets a couple of beers down him he says to me, "I've got to be the dumbest baseball coach in the world." I said "Don't think so Tommy, you done quite well." He said "yeah, we've had success in my 22 years but I just now figured something out at the parent conferences this afternoon. Parents geniunely want the me to play the 8 best baseball players on my team and their child." I just now firgured that out. I'm a slow learner."

Like any good counselor's husband I offered up my best theraputic solution and said, "Here. Have another beer."

I used to coach high school basketball. At the beginning of every season I used to tell the parents the same thing. "As coach. my job is to develop the kids and put the team on the court that gives us the best chance to win. As parents, your job is to support your son and the team. If you have any questions about how much playing time your son is getting, you should ask him because I guarantee that I've told him multiple times. If you choose to ask me, that's fine. But understand that you may not like the answer."

I only ever had one parent ask. lol
 
I used to coach high school basketball. At the beginning of every season I used to tell the parents the same thing. "As coach. my job is to develop the kids and put the team on the court that gives us the best chance to win. As parents, your job is to support your son and the team. If you have any questions about how much playing time your son is getting, you should ask him because I guarantee that I've told him multiple times. If you choose to ask me, that's fine. But understand that you may not like the answer."

I only ever had one parent ask. lol
y'all still sucked didn't ya'll?
 
This one is going to be controversial but stick with me here. One thing that I use to love about college football was how exciting and balanced it used to be as a sport. I actually tell people that I miss the 1990s and the first decade of the 2000s which I consider to be the height of the sport and not just because my team was better.

The issue with CFB today is that it has started to get too lop-sided. The same teams tend to win their leagues every year: Alabama with the SEC, Clemson with the ACC, Ohio State with the B1G, Oklahoma with the Big12. Meanwhile traditional powers such as Michigan, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Nebraska, wallow in obscurity.

Worse, entire areas of the country are no longer that competitive. The Pac12 isn't what the Pac10 once was, the Northeast doesn't have great football anymore (Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse have been so bad for so long that people forget that they actually used to have good teams).

I agree. Washington getting good helped a little. The West Coast needs USC and UCLA to get back to form (at least competitive where they are winning 8 games or so). No one really buys into Oregon but they do have decent teams, I guess.

Having a Northeast team be good would help as well. The B1G needs to have someone not named Ohio State win the B1G. Honestly, the best thing that could happen with the B1G is Michigan finally beating Ohio State (or Nebraska getting back to form).

When PC was at USC everyone said the Pac was USC and everyone else. Now you are saying that the Pac isnt competitive?
Pac has always been the most competitive among itself. you never really know who is going to win. even when USC was wining and was always the pick they shared it like 3 or 4 times and there was always a team 1 game off from taking it from them.

No one really buys Oregon? Decent?
in the last decade they have 2 Championship game appearances and been close other times.
they have wins over the Big 10 champ and runner up, ACC champ, Big XII champ.

Pac 12 has like 1 bad year in bowls and a shit commish and now everyone just keeps repeating the same thing about the conference.
but like you said the same teams win over and over in other leagues.
if it werent for Clemson the ACC would be an after thought.
without Oklahoma you might have another team get in there but it woulndt be the same team 2 years in row.
 
When PC was at USC everyone said the Pac was USC and everyone else. Now you are saying that the Pac isnt competitive?
Pac has always been the most competitive among itself. you never really know who is going to win. even when USC was wining and was always the pick they shared it like 3 or 4 times and there was always a team 1 game off from taking it from them.

No one really buys Oregon? Decent?
in the last decade they have 2 Championship game appearances and been close other times.
they have wins over the Big 10 champ and runner up, ACC champ, Big XII champ.

Pac 12 has like 1 bad year in bowls and a shit commish and now everyone just keeps repeating the same thing about the conference.
but like you said the same teams win over and over in other leagues.
if it werent for Clemson the ACC would be an after thought.
without Oklahoma you might have another team get in there but it woulndt be the same team 2 years in row.
Maybe beat TCU in the Alamo Bowl and then y'all can say it's better than the Big 12?

Don't worry we lose to TCU almost every time as well :(
 
Maybe beat TCU in the Alamo Bowl and then y'all can say it's better than the Big 12?

Don't worry we lose to TCU almost every time as well :(
you mean after Oregon got a big lead and the starting QB got hurt
Adams stays in Oregon wins it easy
 
you mean after Oregon got a big lead and the starting QB got hurt
Adams stays in Oregon wins it easy
TCU had their starting QB too?
 
Maybe beat TCU in the Alamo Bowl and then y'all can say it's better than the Big 12?

Don't worry we lose to TCU almost every time as well :(
also beat Kansas State as champs in Fiesta
win over texas in Alamo
going back to see more match ups includes
win over Oklahoma State in Holiday
That game in Eugene against Oklahoma still a win.

thats 4 of the last 5 as Oregon wins
 
Oregon has actually done fairly well against other leagues over the last decade or 2.
 
Oregon has actually done fairly well against other leagues over the last decade or 2.
that alamo game vs UT.. we all knew were were going to lose.. Mack was being forced out, he told the class to look elsewhere.. tough times.. and it wouldn't get any better :(
 
@NU_FTW please explain how me saying Oregon has done well deserves a douche bag reaction
 
win over Wisc
win over Mich st
win over Neb
loss to Neb
loss to Mich st
win over Mich st
loss to Ohio st
win over Wis
5 -3 in the last 10 years

loss to Aub
win over Tenn
loss to LSU
win over Tenn
loss to Aub
2-3 losing but ive seen worse

win over Vir
win over Flo st
win over Vir
3-0 vs ACC

and like i said before 4-1 in last 5 games with BIG XII

so how exactly havent they?
 
I agree. Washington getting good helped a little. The West Coast needs USC and UCLA to get back to form (at least competitive where they are winning 8 games or so). No one really buys into Oregon but they do have decent teams, I guess.

Having a Northeast team be good would help as well. The B1G needs to have someone not named Ohio State win the B1G. Honestly, the best thing that could happen with the B1G is Michigan finally beating Ohio State (or Nebraska getting back to form).
We have absolutely kicked Tennessee's ass this decade. LOL.

Go back to watching 90's Tennessee YouTube videos.
 
i never understood college football fans, and probably because of where i live....

but not every clemson fan, actually went to clemson, or has ties to the school. just an example, but most probably didnt get out of the 8th grade. but theyre diehard, bleed colors, fans.

i dont get it. how can you be a fan of a school you have no ties to other than regional? im a holy cross fan because my mother taught there and i grew up in the city (and i played basketball with many HC players). im a fan of williams college because i went there (i.e "the biggest little game in America") and played for a year.

ps im not trying to be ignorant, im trying to understand.
 
i never understood college football fans, and probably because of where i live....

but not every clemson fan, actually went to clemson, or has ties to the school. just an example, but most probably didnt get out of the 8th grade. but theyre diehard, bleed colors, fans.

i dont get it. how can you be a fan of a school you have no ties to other than regional? im a holy cross fan because my mother taught there and i grew up in the city (and i played basketball with many HC players). im a fan of williams college because i went there (i.e "the biggest little game in America") and played for a year.

ps im not trying to be ignorant, im trying to understand.
so are you saying that since im from Oregon but went to an NAIA school with no football I shouldnt be a fan of Oregon?
 
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