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Could be more serious if it's true the BIG gave MSU the choice to opt out of the game.
Not sure if this is true
Not sure if this is true
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Michigan is learning every other team's signals on a week to week basis, maybe more time maybe less. We have a month to prepare for TCU, but we're gonna let them get almost 500 total yards and put 51 points on us.
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I don’t think they were actually given the option but looks like MSU was lobbying somewhat not to play. The B1G making it a point to warn all the other teams though seems like it wouldn’t happen if they didn’t have serious proof of something bad
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I'm curious how and who brought this to light? I've heard Schiano and Fleck. I'm wondering if the Weiss firing may be mixed into this somehow?
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Realistic Wolverine fans don't expect to win titles. Michigan doesn't recruit like the nationally elite programs. Hell -- Michigan has fewer blue chip recruits on our roster this year than even Penn State. We don't have even remotely close to the level of talent that Ohio State has on their roster. Michigan just has much better coaching than Ohio State.
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"I do not have any knowledge or information regarding the University of Michigan football program illegally stealing signals, nor have I directed any staff member or others to participate in an off-campus scouting assignment," Harbaugh said in a statement.
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We all could steal Michigan’s signals, but what the hell would this signal mean?
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I've actually not read anything about this, but it seems to me that if this was all on the up and up the NCAA wouldn't have opened an investigation, right?
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Ok, now I've read some and here is where the UM defense of "they have all the video they need, so doing it in person is no big deal" falls short.
1. There is a rule against any videoing is prohibited. So, this idea that doing it in person is no big deal because they have it on video is incorrect:
While teams typically have no shortage of game footage for scouting opponents ahead of games, the NCAA outlawed in-person scouting as a cost-saving measure in 1994. Sign-knowing isn’t on its own against NCAA rules, but the method of obtaining and playing said information can be in violation. “Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited,” the 2023 NCAA rulebook states.
2. The problem here isn't stealing signals ... if you can steal signals on the day of the game, have at it. There are no rules against a team trying to determine what the other team is calling. But if you do that beforehand, whether by in-person scouting, or videoing the sideline, you are violating NCAA rules.
Many defending UM here don't seem to understand this ... do what you want on game day. If you can figure out their play calling during the game, good on you. But, don't send scouts to future games - clearly against the rules - and don't shoot video showing the sideline and the play calling - clearly against the rules.
1. There is a rule against any videoing is prohibited. So, this idea that doing it in person is no big deal because they have it on video is incorrect:
While teams typically have no shortage of game footage for scouting opponents ahead of games, the NCAA outlawed in-person scouting as a cost-saving measure in 1994. Sign-knowing isn’t on its own against NCAA rules, but the method of obtaining and playing said information can be in violation. “Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited,” the 2023 NCAA rulebook states.
2. The problem here isn't stealing signals ... if you can steal signals on the day of the game, have at it. There are no rules against a team trying to determine what the other team is calling. But if you do that beforehand, whether by in-person scouting, or videoing the sideline, you are violating NCAA rules.
Many defending UM here don't seem to understand this ... do what you want on game day. If you can figure out their play calling during the game, good on you. But, don't send scouts to future games - clearly against the rules - and don't shoot video showing the sideline and the play calling - clearly against the rules.
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I'm not defending anything, as I really couldn't care less and I hope it is true, as it means UM is slowly getting out of their archaic ways.
That being said -- unless Michigan is applying for sideline press passes, where you are granted access to bring video equipment -- how are they shooting video of the sidelines? Cell phone?
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"This is worse than both the Astros and the Patriots -- it's both use of technology for a competitive advantage and there's allegations that they are filming prior games, not just in-game," a Big Ten source said. "If it was just an in-game situation, that's different. Going and filming somewhere you're not supposed to be. It's illegal. It's too much of an advantage."
"This is worse than both the Astros and the Patriots -- it's both use of technology for a competitive advantage and there's allegations that they are filming prior games, not just in-game," a Big Ten source said. "If it was just an in-game situation, that's different. Going and filming somewhere you're not supposed to be. It's illegal. It's too much of an advantage."
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You can steal signals using game tape. This is 100% legal. And teams go through crazy measures to try and stop this, including barriers to make day of and taped signals harder to see.
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It’s totally legal to use taped signals. It’s not legal to have someone sit in the stands and sit there to record the signals. But in a day and age where everyone has a 4K cell phone, and 100k football stadiums, what even is this rule? This isn’t 1994.
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lol how is that worse? The astros had a live feed of the signals during games and exactly what they meant. At most it could only be equal.
Recording signs prior to a game would be far better than anything the astros did. Doing that with game tape is already 100% legal. This is nonsense.
These quotes seem completely oblivious to the fact that using all the 4K tape of a game to steal signs is legal. So having some dude with a cell phone visit a game is hardly a significant advantage over that.