What was the difference?

Deep Creek said:
So any team that has two pick 6s in a game is “lucky”? Two fumbles returned for TDs is lucky?

How about Michigan shouldn’t have thrown those two pick 6s instead of TCU getting lucky. That thought ever cross your mind?

Again, TCU played pretty close to their normal game…not a “lucky” game. Check out there game results that year and you’ll see for ypurself.
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Yes.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
We had a way better offense than UM, that's obvious to everyone other than you. You don't know a lot about CFB or sports in general if you say, as you have, "UM has a better offense than UGA because we both faced 1 common opponent and we scored more points." I mean you really aren't that dumb, are you? It's rhetorical, we know you are that dumb.
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"pedestrian" is a bit of an understatement. Michigan's offense ranked 14th in scoring offense. Georgia's ranked 5th. Georgia averaged exactly 4.2 points more per game on offense. On defense, Michigan's defense allowed 5.2 points per game less than Georgia. Michigan's team is built on defense, and an offense that has the ability to bleed game clock and/or wearing teams down on the line. It's a different philosophy, that doesn't mean one better than the other.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"pedestrian" is a bit of an understatement. Michigan's offense ranked 14th in scoring offense. Georgia's ranked 5th. Georgia averaged exactly 4.2 points more per game on offense. On defense, Michigan's defense allowed 5.2 points per game less than Georgia. Michigan's team is built on defense, and an offense that has the ability to bleed game clock and/or wearing teams down on the line. It's a different philosophy, that doesn't mean one better than the other.
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This is why michigan ranks so low on the list of all-time CFP teams. There were plenty of champs that had defenses on par with or better than michigan's, but several also had explosive offenses that were rarely if ever stopped or even slowed down. Line this year's michigan team up against every other CFP champ (and several non-champs) and they lose, and likely convincingly.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"pedestrian" is a bit of an understatement. Michigan's offense ranked 14th in scoring offense. Georgia's ranked 5th. Georgia averaged exactly 4.2 points more per game on offense. On defense, Michigan's defense allowed 5.2 points per game less than Georgia. Michigan's team is built on defense, and an offense that has the ability to bleed game clock and/or wearing teams down on the line. It's a different philosophy, that doesn't mean one better than the other.
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Georgia faced exactly ONE top 20 defense all year. It was Bama. The same Bama who completely controlled the entire game against Georgia.

As I said to @WhosYourDawggy -- just say thank you for Michigan doing what they couldn't and move along. 2023 Georgia was absolutely NOTHING like the 2021 and 2022 Georgia teams, but in his head, he seems to think they are.
 
Across The Field said:
This is why michigan ranks so low on the list of all-time CFP teams. There were plenty of champs that had defenses on par with or better than michigan's, but they had explosive offenses that were rarely if ever stopped or even slowed down. Line this year's michigan team up against every other CFP champ (and several non-champs) and they lose, and likely convincingly.
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Michigan's being downgraded here because people have been conditioned to think elite team = elite QB. It's the same reason the Heisman has turned into a QB popularity contest. Having the best, or one of the best, defense in football is one of the key metrics to winning a national title. I think there's a few teams (like 2019 LSU) that have an argument for THE best because they had everything AND an elite QB. But I think it's worth pointing out, again, that defense wins championships.

I'm not sure I buy the argument that this team wouldn't have beat some of the alleged "best" teams from past series. Michigan's route to this game was pretty incredible. Hell, people were predicting the Bama team they're now downplaying to win the title after they beat UGA. And they're only shitting on them because they lost to two other teams in the playoff.
 
Across The Field said:
This is why michigan ranks so low on the list of all-time CFP teams. There were plenty of champs that had defenses on par with or better than michigan's, but several also had explosive offenses that were rarely if ever stopped or even slowed down. Line this year's michigan team up against every other CFP champ (and several non-champs) and they lose, and likely convincingly.
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Really? Show me the plenty of teams who gave up 10 ppg for the year. I think the list is Georgia and Michigan, that's it.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"pedestrian" is a bit of an understatement. Michigan's offense ranked 14th in scoring offense. Georgia's ranked 5th. Georgia averaged exactly 4.2 points more per game on offense. On defense, Michigan's defense allowed 5.2 points per game less than Georgia. Michigan's team is built on defense, and an offense that has the ability to bleed game clock and/or wearing teams down on the line. It's a different philosophy, that doesn't mean one better than the other.
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Fair enough. As a UGA fan, I can respect the D and the idea of a running game that runs the clock. I'll take back "pedestrian" and say not explosive. It's not the kind of O that could keep up with a team that had good D and good O. Fortunately, there weren't many of those teams this year and your D was good enough to win it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I did above, several times. Read before you respond. Read what I posted, if you don't agree, that's fine.
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You can dodge the question all you'd like. You've explained nothing. That being said -- answer one question. How many top 20 defenses did Georgia face this year?
 
Kburjr said:
Neither does the eye test. Just saying.
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Sure. But when we are talking hypotheticals that is what you do. This dimwit would think I am trying to take his trophy away. FFS, they won.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You can dodge the question all you'd like. You've explained nothing. That being said -- answer one question. How many top 20 defenses did Georgia face this year?
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I've not dodged it ... I've explained all I am going to explain. If you can't understand it that's fine.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Really? Show me the plenty of teams who gave up 10 ppg for the year. I think the list is Georgia and Michigan, that's it.
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Don't use UGA ... you've stated here that we suck and all.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Fair enough. As a UGA fan, I can respect the D and the idea of a running game that runs the clock. I'll take back "pedestrian" and say not explosive. It's not the kind of O that could keep up with a team that had good D and good O. Fortunately, there weren't many of those teams this year and your D was good enough to win it.
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Rather than look at ppg, look at points per possession. Ball control offenses are not designed to score high points, but consistent points.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Georgia faced exactly ONE top 20 defense all year. It was Bama. The same Bama who completely controlled the entire game against Georgia.

As I said to @WhosYourDawggy -- just say thank you for Michigan doing what they couldn't and move along. 2023 Georgia was absolutely NOTHING like the 2021 and 2022 Georgia teams, but in his head, he seems to think they are.
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Dimwit, in this post I've said the opposite multiple times. In posts all season long I've said the opposite of what you just typed. You were dumb before you won the NC, but you lost some brain cells celebrating, if that's possible.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Don't use UGA ... you've stated here that we suck and all.
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I'm talking UGA in 2021 and 2022, when you had a legit NC team. This year's team was a shell of those teams. You played ONE TEAM with a top 20 defense and they completely controlled the game against you and beat you handily. (Yes, I know, it was '3 points', because you finally scored late while they were doing their run the clock defense).
 
Kburjr said:
Rather than look at ppg, look at points per possession. Ball control offenses are not designed to score high points, but consistent points.
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As a UGA fan, I get that. That's the way Smart has coached since he got to UGA. So I can say from experience, that bites you in the butt when you get up against a team and you suddenly have to keep up if they start scoring. And no D is so good that they don't face that from time to time if they go up against some good Os. I love great D and believe it still wins NC. It did this year for sure.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Dimwit, in this post I've said the opposite multiple times. In posts all season long I've said the opposite of what you just typed. You were dumb before you won the NC, but you lost some brain cells celebrating, if that's possible.
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The fact you keep saying Georgia belonged in the top 4 and were one of the 4 best teams at the end of the year, after playing ONE team with any hint of a defense and losing to them. That tells me you can't look past 2021 and 2022, and believe 2023 is no different.

Georgia would have only been top 5 because FSU lost their QB. If FSU didn't lose their QB. Georgia would have been the #6. You played a weak schedule this year and got owned in the one game you had with a team that could play defense.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
As a UGA fan, I get that. That's the way Smart has coached since he got to UGA. So I can say from experience, that bites you in the butt when you get up against a team and you suddenly have to keep up if they start scoring. And no D is so good that they don't face that from time to time if they go up against some good Os. I love great D and believe it still wins NC. It did this year for sure.
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Tell me about it. 2017 B1G championship game. Still causes bad dreams.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan's being downgraded here because people have been conditioned to think elite team = elite QB. It's the same reason the Heisman has turned into a QB popularity contest. Having the best, or one of the best, defense in football is one of the key metrics to winning a national title. I think there's a few teams (like 2019 LSU) that have an argument for THE best because they had everything AND an elite QB. But I think it's worth pointing out, again, that defense wins championships.

I'm not sure I buy the argument that this team wouldn't have beat some of the alleged "best" teams from past series. Michigan's route to this game was pretty incredible. Hell, people were predicting the Bama team they're now downplaying to win the title after they beat UGA. And they're only shitting on them because they lost to two other teams in the playoff.
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Funny how all we heard for the first 10 weeks of the year is how JJ was undoubtedly elite and was gonna set records, then he had to actually face teams with defenses and fell to earth. Nobody downgrades michigan because of your "elite QB" thought. Their offense struggled against the good defenses they faced over the past couple months. Take 2014 OSU and compare them to michigan:

2014 OSU faced #2, #4, #5, and #13 in the final rankings that year, and the average score of those games was 48-23
2023 michigan faced #2, #5, #10, and #13 in the final rankings this year and the the average score of those games was 29-18.

Add in the fact that both teams OSU beat in the 2014 CFP rated significantly higher than both teams than michigan beat in 2023, and you see why people feel like this was just simply a down year.

Oh, and 2019 LSU did not have everything - they were outside the top 25 in both scoring defense and total defense. They just had a generational offense.
 
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