Poll Bears 2024 qb

[beardown07]

Nah, you are literally the only person I've seen blaming that loss on Fields. Basically any game where he doesn't play absolutely flawless football, the loss is his fault. That's been your narrative this entire time.

stfu. JFC

 

[Across The Field]

Nobody blames him and solely him. That's hyperbole.

But he is not absolved from blame either. He played a part in the loss.



QB gets the glory when they win, and the shit-flinging when they lose. Welcome to the NFL.

Seriously though, look at him that game. He greatly out-plays Goff in his first game back from injury. Completes 70% of his passes, 7.3 YPA for a TD and no INTs. Is the only player who does anything on the ground as he runs for over 100. Throw a beautiful ball that would've improved his numbers even more and Scott screws up. I know you hate Fields, but how can you know all this and call me the idiot for saying he wasn't to blame for the loss?

 

[beardown07]

Seriously though, look at him that game. He greatly out-plays Goff in his first game back from injury. Completes 70% of his passes, 7.3 YPA for a TD and no INTs. Is the only player who does anything on the ground as he runs for over 100. Throw a beautiful ball that would've improved his numbers even more and Scott screws up. I know you hate Fields, but how can you know all this and call me the idiot for saying he wasn't to blame for the loss?

He played a part in it. Just as he plays a part in a victory.

You would think such a knowledgeable football fan could recognize that, particularly if they watched it happen live, and not just read the play-by-play.

 

[Across The Field]

He played a part in it. Just as he plays a part in a victory.

You would think such a knowledgeable football fan could recognize that, particularly if they watched it happen live, and not just read the play-by-play.

Ok, what was his part? Through the entire game where he was basically the entire offense, what "part" was his fault for the loss? Do you even know, or are you just too dug in to be objective anymore?

 

[beardown07]

Ok, what was his part? Through the entire game where he was basically the entire offense, what "part" was his fault for the loss? Do you even know, or are you just too dug in to be objective anymore?

I have already shown you the parts.

10 points off of 4 takeaways. 3 and outs after long drives, gassing the D...it's a 60 minute game, and it all adds up.

The Bears should've absolutely SMOKED the Lions in that game. Never even should've been close.

 

[Across The Field]

I have already shown you the parts.

10 points off of 4 takeaways. 3 and outs after long drives, gassing the D...it's a 60 minute game, and it all adds up.

The Bears should've absolutely SMOKED the Lions in that game. Never even should've been close.

And what specific part of that was his fault? It seriously pains you to give him even the slightest bit of credit, doesn't it? He carries the entire offense by himself only to get screwed by Scott fucking up and you still have to shit on him without even acknowledging he was the only reason they were in that game. Did he need to complete 90% of his passes? Run for 200 yards? Go run routes and catch his own passes? You can't even specifically point anything out, all you can do is speak in generalities and blame it on him and insult people who call you out on your bullshit.

 

[DragonFromTo]

I have already shown you the parts.

10 points off of 4 takeaways. 3 and outs after long drives, gassing the D...it's a 60 minute game, and it all adds up.

The Bears should've absolutely SMOKED the Lions in that game. Never even should've been close.

 

[beardown07]

And what specific part of that was his fault? It seriously pains you to give him even the slightest bit of credit, doesn't it? He carries the entire offense by himself only to get screwed by Scott fucking up and you still have to shit on him without even acknowledging he was the only reason they were in that game. Did he need to complete 90% of his passes? Run for 200 yards? Go run routes and catch his own passes? You can't even specifically point anything out, all you can do is speak in generalities and blame it on him and insult people who call you out on your bullshit.

I would say the 4 takeways is the main reason they were in that game, and that if the offense was half way competent, those 4 takeaways would've led to a slaughter of the lions.

Instead, it came down to a 50 yd bomb on 3rd and 9, to a rookie WR who isn't that good.

 

[Across The Field]

I would say the 4 takeways is the main reason they were in that game, and that if the offense was half way competent, those 4 takeaways would've led to a slaughter of the lions.

Instead, it came down to a 50 yd bomb on 3rd and 9, to a rookie WR who isn't that good.

Alright this shitshow has gone on long enough.

Fields is a good QB but not great. He has a lot of room to improve, but that wasn't happening in Chicago with the dogshit coaches they had (you even Getsy is complete shit and Flus is a DC at best). They brought in DJ Moore and he had a career year with Fields throwing him the ball. The OL improved marginally but was still a bottom-third unit in the NFL. I'm not sure what QB was going to come in dealing with that shit for their first 3 years and thrive, but obviously Fields didn't. He is still very young and obviously has a lot of potential, and hopefully if Chicago trades him it isn't to another garbage offensive staff (I'm seeing Pittsburgh, who just hired Arthur Smith as their OC, so probably not much would change under that fucking idiot).

Am I rooting for him because he's a Buckeye? Obviously. Does that mean everything I've said about how Chicago has fucked up his development is wrong? Absolutely not. Say whatever you want about how bad he is or how he's "THE problem", I really don't care.

 

[RP-29]

I think if you put this thread, side-by-side with the old Lizzy Hale thread at Eurohoop, they'd be indistinguishable.

 

[beardown07]

Alright this shitshow has gone on long enough.

Fields is a good QB but not great. He has a lot of room to improve, but that wasn't happening in Chicago with the dogshit coaches they had (you even Getsy is complete shit and Flus is a DC at best). They brought in DJ Moore and he had a career year with Fields throwing him the ball. The OL improved marginally but was still a bottom-third unit in the NFL. I'm not sure what QB was going to come in dealing with that shit for their first 3 years and thrive, but obviously Fields didn't. He is still very young and obviously has a lot of potential, and hopefully if Chicago trades him it isn't to another garbage offensive staff (I'm seeing Pittsburgh, who just hired Arthur Smith as their OC, so probably not much would change under that fucking idiot).

Am I rooting for him because he's a Buckeye? Obviously. Does that mean everything I've said about how Chicago has fucked up his development is wrong? Absolutely not. Say whatever you want about how bad he is or how he's "THE problem", I really don't care.

Again, that comment was directed at the importance of the position as much as it was at him. When the QB needs improving...it is THE problem.


I agree with the rest for the most part, tho I will say, there are nuances within all that, that can be put on him. While he improved a bit after coming back from his injury, his 4th quarter play, and clutch play, if you will, was still lacking. Look at some of these stats, if yiou'll indulge me?

53.4 passer rating in the 4th quarter this year

8 games where Fields began a drive in the final 8 minutes, with a chance to tie or go ahead...the Bears only scored once. He is now 3 for 23 in such situations for his career. Gut-wrenching losses to the Bucs, Broncs, Lions and Browns this year.

Six 4th quarter INTs. Surpassed only by Sam Howell who had 76 more attempts and Jordan Love, who had 81 more attempts.

And maybe this one bugs the most, because it always brings up the o-line deficiencies, but his sack rate is atrocious. 10.6% this year. 31st rank. Bagent in his 4 games had a 3.4% sack rate. For his career,, Fields has a 12.4% sack rate. The 6 other Bears QBs during that time?...6.0%

And yes, I realize he's wanting bigger plays and trying to push it down the field more, but that's not enough to validate the discrepancy, nor is the WR separation argument, as there only maybe 10 WRs good enough to make a substantial separation to even measure.



The kid needed better coaching for sure. That is evident in his consistently lackadaisical dropback, massive wind up and pocket inaccuracy.

I like the kid plenty, and won't be heart broken if they decide to keep him, but he is wildly overhyped and handled far too often with kid gloves when it comes to evaluating him, not just by you either. There has to be some accountability to the things HE can control, like the aforementioned drop back en sech.

 

[Wood20ks]

I have already shown you the parts.

10 points off of 4 takeaways. 3 and outs after long drives, gassing the D...it's a 60 minute game, and it all adds up.

The Bears should've absolutely SMOKED the Lions in that game. Never even should've been close.

Tyriques int in the 1st qtr with 6:21 left ,JF had a big 4th n 2 for a first......
Roschon gets ate up for a 6 yard loss,then JF misses DJ on a deep ez pass that DJ had a step on the defender......( big miss) next play,pass batted down......punt.

And the one int by Goff to start the 3rd qtr by Stevenson,ended up a being a fumble back to Detroit( by none other Tyler Scott) that resulted in a td for Detroit......

Thats one negative for Justin and two by Scott........3 big plays that went for 0 pts.......

 

[Across The Field]

Again, that comment was directed at the importance of the position as much as it was at him. When the QB needs improving...it is THE problem.


I agree with the rest for the most part, tho I will say, there are nuances within all that, that can be put on him. While he improved a bit after coming back from his injury, his 4th quarter play, and clutch play, if you will, was still lacking. Look at some of these stats, if yiou'll indulge me?

53.4 passer rating in the 4th quarter this year

8 games where Fields began a drive in the final 8 minutes, with a chance to tie or go ahead...the Bears only scored once. He is now 3 for 23 in such situations for his career. Gut-wrenching losses to the Bucs, Broncs, Lions and Browns this year.

Six 4th quarter INTs. Surpassed only by Sam Howell who had 76 more attempts and Jordan Love, who had 81 more attempts.

And maybe this one bugs the most, because it always brings up the o-line deficiencies, but his sack rate is atrocious. 10.6% this year. 31st rank. Bagent in his 4 games had a 3.4% sack rate. For his career,, Fields has a 12.4% sack rate. The 6 other Bears QBs during that time?...6.0%

And yes, I realize he's wanting bigger plays and trying to push it down the field more, but that's not enough to validate the discrepancy, nor is the WR separation argument, as there only maybe 10 WRs good enough to make a substantial separation to even measure.



The kid needed better coaching for sure. That is evident in his consistently lackadaisical dropback, massive wind up and pocket inaccuracy.

I like the kid plenty, and won't be heart broken if they decide to keep him, but he is wildly overhyped and handled far too often with kid gloves when it comes to evaluating him, not just by you either. There has to be some accountability to the things HE can control, like the aforementioned drop back en sech.

Of course there's nuance in most things. Mechanically Fields isn't the worst but yeah, there's definitely cleanup to do. I think the narrative of him not being able to go through progressions is ridiculous; the Scott play was a brilliant pre-snap read by him and it was the right decision, for example. It would've been a dagger that would've ended the game. He's had plenty of other times where you can see him going through his reads but he's also got the worst separation rate in the NFL (that graph I posted earlier); you could argue that also plays a part in his high sack %.

Does he need to make decisions quicker? For sure. The Ohio State offense is really good at masking certain deficiencies, and that's one Fields is behind on. I think having a proper QB coach/OC could help tremendously in that regard, and hopefully he gets it.

At the end of the day, he's still very young and has a ton of talent. He's never going to be Mahomes, but neither is anyone else. Fields' has a very unique skillset that can undoubtedly work. Like every young QB, he needs coaching and a good cast. I'd love to see Fields get that shot in Chicago after seeing the obvious chemistry he has with Moore and Kmet. If they love Caleb Williams, then that's the route they'll go. I have to admit, part of this is also me reacting after watching Cleveland scapegoat Baker and run him out of town only to bring in a guy Haslem loved in Watson and see him fail while Baker goes to a coherent offensive team and have a monster year. Not saying that will happen in Chicago, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Personally, if they're gonna trade him, I'd love to see him go home to Atlanta. That offense could be something with Zac Robinson at OC and that supporting cast.

 

[Guy Incognito]

@HammerDown, what's tHoopla equivalent to the Louvre?

We need this thread in it.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Why? Because I countered your bullshit "he didn't do anything" with proof that he clearly did and it was his WR's fault for misjudging what was described as a "perfectly thrown ball"? Do you actually have a coherent response to this?

No, because I didnt say anything to warrant your insanity, and insults.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

@HammerDown, what's tHoopla equivalent to the Louvre?

We need this thread in it.

I hate all you fuckers enjoying this cannibalism

 

[Guy Incognito]

I hate all you fuckers enjoying this cannibalism

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Justin Fields is better than Patrick Mahomes

 

[Wood20ks]

Every day I watch the sports talk shows,do tons of reading,and this is basically what the Bears offense will look like in thet op 2 options:

Draft Caleb he a combination of Moore,Kmet and most likley an olineman at pick 9......( I dont believe Nabers,MHJ,Odunze or even Bowers will be there)so its most likely olineman.......better be anyways.
( you want CW to be able to get on the right track)

Or

Trade down to no lower than 3,draft Harrison take olieman at 9,that gives JF a combination of Moore,MHJ and Kmet with two no.1 draftees at ol in Wright and whoever the Bears take.....once again it has to be olineman at 9.......NO MORE DAMN EXCUSES!!
If JF is where we want him,we are gonna have two no.1s again,and one most likely in the top 10,especially if we trade with NE.......

Poles will have to pick his poison........its badically what hes up against....

Im leaning towards the second option myself.....not because of JF,but because the limelight for CW may to damn much because of expectations,comparisons to Mahomes and him or whoever has been doing all this talking of being in Chicago..........

 

[Across The Field]

No, because I didnt say anything to warrant your insanity, and insults.

Yes, you did.

How does a team have over 3minutes to do that, in two drives, if the offense gets a first down or 2 between thise drives? Did the defense help? No. Did fields do something when it mattered most? No. You keep saying 2 70 yd drives, that means he had the ball in between. 2 td leads are never safe in the league these days.

You said this. I posted the article in response about that exact drive illustrating that Fields actually did do something when it mattered most that would've killed the clock had the WR not fucked up, and you still try and blame Fields. You were demonstrably wrong, but instead said something moronic about players saying things about other players which had quite literally nothing at all to do with the point at hand.