More Michigan Cheating

If there's evidence that other teams have violated rules, they should be appropriately punished too.
Certainly opened up a can. And certainly makes the impact of any individual offense more minimal than previously claimed. Or they rule that this isn't an offense. (The NCAA hasn't even notified of any offense)
 
LOL you mean coaches all talking to other coaches, a recognized practice that's gone on for decades and isn't even a "loophole" that you seem to be celebrating that only michigan was doing?
This isn't coaches talking to coaches. This is teams using information gathered in person, collecting it, deciphering it and then giving it to future opponents of the team you played. That's pretty much the definition of in person scouting.
 
This is all highly entertaining. You should join in. There are so many fans with their panties in a bunch, hoping and praying for a suspension or ban from something.

Going to be fun when little to nothing comes from it and there is a huge uproar.
What more is there to say? No one has evidence or the seriousness of the alleged violations.
 
This isn't coaches talking to coaches. This is teams using information gathered in person, collecting it, deciphering it and then giving it to future opponents of the team you played. That's pretty much the definition of in person scouting.
Yeah, a thing all coaches and teams have done for many years, michigan included. Sharing notes is one thing. michigan is the only one recording hours and hours of footage illegally to gain an advantage no other team had.
 
LOL you mean coaches all talking to other coaches, a recognized practice that's gone on for decades and isn't even a "loophole" that you seem to be celebrating that only michigan was doing?
I will say this. I'd much rather another team figure out the signals of the team they played and then send them to me. It'd save a team a lot of work. It'd also be EXTREMELY frowned upon by the conference.
 
Yeah, a thing all coaches and teams have done for many years, michigan included. Sharing notes is one thing. michigan is the only one recording hours and hours of footage illegally to gain an advantage no other team had.
So having a 3rd party scout and steal all your signs, is totally legal then?

And just so you're clear, you don't think home teams (once they play someone) don't have all the signs of the opposition recorded? home teams even get to modify and send out the All22 film other teams get to scout with.

You're arguing 3rd parties scouting is legal, and illegal, under the same rule. In fact, both are either illegal or legal. There is no inbetween. You've just made an argument that exonerates Michigan, congrats.
 
Certainly opened up a can. And certainly makes the impact of any individual offense more minimal than previously claimed. Or they rule that this isn't an offense. (The NCAA hasn't even notified of any offense)

They're likely still investigating and gathering evidence.

It would be meaningless for them to notify offenses at this time because Michigan has 90 days to respond, which would be well after the season has ended.

Notification is coming though.
 
What more is there to say? No one has evidence or the seriousness of the alleged violations.
I've been saying that for 150 pages. It is entertaining though. You have people writing novels based on info from unnamed sources, while it is ALL unnamed sources. You have people talking about video proof when no one but the NCAA or Michigan would have seen the video proof. You have people whose teams have cheated for decades telling other teams they are cheaters.

I get a good laugh out of this thread.
 
So having a 3rd party scout and steal all your signs, is totally legal then?

And just so you're clear, you don't think home teams (once they play someone) don't have all the signs of the opposition recorded? home teams even get to modify and send out the All22 film other teams get to scout with.

You're arguing 3rd parties scouting is legal, and illegal, under the same rule. In fact, both are either illegal or legal. There is no inbetween. You've just made an argument that exonerates Michigan, congrats.
Then why was michigan doing what they were doing for years when nobody else was in order to gain an illegal advantage?
 
There isn't a more unlevel playing field than college football. That's why you see coaches using jobs at P5 D1 programs at stepping stones to get to one of the schools where they have all the advantages.

You think Ohio State and Rutgers are on a level playing field? Rutgers lost like 75 million last year on athletics. :pound:

  • According to documents filed by the university to the NCAA, and reported by USA Today, Rutgers spent $118 million on athletics, yet generated only $45 million in revenue. Students and taxpayers are on the hook for covering a $73 million deficit. Nearly 30,000 students have already been assessed a $400 "athletics fee."
I think when one team doesnt follow the rules and the other does, it makes that situation worse. Especially if the one not following is one of the big boys.
 
They're likely still investigating and gathering evidence.

It would be meaningless for them to notify offenses at this time because Michigan has 90 days to respond, which would be well after the season has ended.

Notification is coming though.
Even if everything you posted here is true, we have no idea what that actually means. We have no idea if we're even talking about a major violation here. Or even a violation. The NCAA might even rule that what happened isn't a direct violation of the rule. We have no idea here.
 
1. Michigan sucks at cheating. Sheesh, the idiot left a paper trail a blind Boy Scout could follow.

2. The B1G sucks even worse at catching cheating. He been buying these tickets and shit under his real name for how many years and they just now catching it?

Buncha Keytone Cops chasing Maxwell Smart over here.
 
I can’t imagine that decoding signs from a future opponent (who is giving those signs in front of 50,000 + fans) is that serious of a crime. It appears to be very easy to defend. Kinda like jaywalking … jaywalking might be a crime in some places, but you probably should not get jail time for it. Almost 3,000 replies for such a minor offense (if it is an offense).
Maybe, maybe not. But I do know if there is a rule for something and you break that rule there should be a punishment. Now if you break several rules it should be more severe.
 
Then why was michigan doing what they were doing for years when nobody else was in order to gain an illegal advantage?
1. We don't know that "nobody else was", because it very much sounds like other people WERE
2. It very much sounds like we hired a lunatic who was operating independently without most knowing where that information was coming from
2a. Sign stealing was so prevalent in the league that other coaches (DC/OC/HC) had no idea that hte information was coming from these 3rd parties
 
This isn't coaches talking to coaches. This is teams using information gathered in person, collecting it, deciphering it and then giving it to future opponents of the team you played. That's pretty much the definition of in person scouting.

Everybody is trying to "gather in person", "collect", and "decipher" an opponents sideline signals DURING a game with said opponents.

We all know this and it's been reiterated over 1,000 times in this thread.
 
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