Tennessee or Nebraska?

Which team returns to being a legit contender first?

  • Tennessee

    Votes: 19 63.3%
  • Nebraska

    Votes: 8 26.7%
  • Amish Potato Salad

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Total voters
    30
You mean the Clemson that is located right on the border of Georgia. You know, the state where he was able to sign DeShaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence from.

And talent rich areas do not guarantee success -- but no one is winning titles without a talent rich recruiting area in today's CFB. Feel free to name the school winning titles without a talent rich recruiting area? I will wait.

And you Nebraska fans need to keep your stories straight -- the 2022 class was always going to be ranked lower because you guys have 80 underclassmen or something ridiculous like that is what was said on here. That's why your class dropped -- you only signed 18 and if you aren't signing elite recruits -- you aren't finishing with a top 20 class w/ only 18 recruits.

Hey dumbass. There are only 3 teams winning national titles. Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia.
LSU was an outlier and fired their coach two years later (because coaching).

Clemson won a national title in 2017.

247 recruiting rankings. Clemson

2017: 16th
2016: 11th
2015: 9th
2014: 16th
2013: 15th

Average: 13.4
 
Anyone who thinks Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia, are going to be king 10 years from now based solely on being in fertile recruiting grounds is a fucking narrow minded idiot.
 
Feel free to tell me the team in CFB today who isn't elite recruiting that is winning titles? I will wait.

Can players be developed? ABSOLUTELY. Is a team going to win a title full of 3 star recruits with a couple 4 star guys sprinkled in? No.
You keep talking about titles as if anyone said they are going to go on the next run like we have seen with Bama. Not sure if you know, but what Bama has done with Saban is unprecedented in mCFB. No one is talking about winning titles every other year, we are talking about competing. And it starts with competing for division and conference titles, as for teams that have competed and made the playoff, the most unlikely of scenarios...Cincy did it this past year with their previous 4 recruiting class rankings averaging at 60th. Yes, they lost, but they made their opportunity and they held Bama to only 27 points, which is more than most teams on Bamas schedule can say. To act like other teams, that recruit better couldn't get a coach and compete against top teams is nonsense. Not to mention, that again, recruits follow the winning. If Saban was only winning 4-5 games a year, do you think his recruiting classes would be as stacked? Well, you're an idiot, so you probably do.

Is a team going to win a title full of 3 star recruits??

Is it likely? No, not really, but it absolutely can happen so long as those players are capable of being developed enough. Again, I just listed a bunch of players off the top of my head that were low level recruits, some not ranked or offered at all and were turned into amazing players. Like I said before, look at Watt, Wilson, Suh, etc... do you think their initial recruiting rankings match them when they were done with cfb?

I honestly don't know why I respond to you at all. You are literally only going to repeat the same nonsense over and over. But hey, keep watching the team that you know has no chance of anything because you're a .... "fan". LMAO fuck outta here.
 
And you Nebraska fans need to keep your stories straight -- the 2022 class was always going to be ranked lower because you guys have 80 underclassmen or something ridiculous like that is what was said on here. That's why your class dropped -- you only signed 18 and if you aren't signing elite recruits -- you aren't finishing with a top 20 class w/ only 18 recruits.
Yeah, Frost came out at the beginning of the season and said that due to the extra season provided through covid, that the recruiting class would be small and the transfer portal would be followed a little more closely. You can youtube it. And it was something like 95-100 underclassmen.

Barring that outlier (at least for now) these were his classes. He came on in 2018, so he was basically salvaging a class from Riley, but count it if you want, it was ranked 21st.

2021 - 18th
2020 - 17th
2019 - 15th
 
You keep talking about titles as if anyone said they are going to go on the next run like we have seen with Bama. Not sure if you know, but what Bama has done with Saban is unprecedented in mCFB. No one is talking about winning titles every other year, we are talking about competing. And it starts with competing for division and conference titles, as for teams that have competed and made the playoff, the most unlikely of scenarios...Cincy did it this past year with their previous 4 recruiting class rankings averaging at 60th. Yes, they lost, but they made their opportunity and they held Bama to only 27 points, which is more than most teams on Bamas schedule can say. To act like other teams, that recruit better couldn't get a coach and compete against top teams is nonsense. Not to mention, that again, recruits follow the winning. If Saban was only winning 4-5 games a year, do you think his recruiting classes would be as stacked? Well, you're an idiot, so you probably do.

Is a team going to win a title full of 3 star recruits??

Is it likely? No, not really, but it absolutely can happen so long as those players are capable of being developed enough. Again, I just listed a bunch of players off the top of my head that were low level recruits, some not ranked or offered at all and were turned into amazing players. Like I said before, look at Watt, Wilson, Suh, etc... do you think their initial recruiting rankings match them when they were done with cfb?

I honestly don't know why I respond to you at all. You are literally only going to repeat the same nonsense over and over. But hey, keep watching the team that you know has no chance of anything because you're a .... "fan". LMAO fuck outta here.

Cincy is in Ohio doh.

Ohio produces more 5*'s than Carter's has liver pills. Ohio St's entire roster are in-state 5*'s.
There's so fucking many that Cincy gets the overspill. The Bearcat roster is half 5*'s. The recruiting services are just ranking them wrong.
 
Cincy is in Ohio doh.

Ohio produces more 5*'s than Carter's has liver pills. Ohio St's entire roster are in-state 5*'s.
There's so fucking many that Cincy gets the overspill. The Bearcat roster is half 5*'s. The recruiting services are just ranking them wrong.
At this point, I am not sure if he ACTUALLY believes the shit he says or if this is his own twisted way of justifying losing to Ohio St so often.

With they way he has been touting Ohio St, it feels like that latter.
 
At this point, I am not sure if he ACTUALLY believes the shit he says or if this is his own twisted way of justifying losing to Ohio St so often.

With they way he has been touting Ohio St, it feels like that latter.

It doesn't really matter.
Everything you see today is the way it's going to be for evah, and evah, and evah.
Only Bama, and Georgia winning natties with an occasional Clemson, LSU, or Ohio St in there.

You know, just 3 or 4 elite teams.........
LIKE COLLEGE FOOTBALL HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN IT'S ENTIRE HISTORY!!!!

Forget the fact that those elite team's coaches are all in the Hall of Fame. LOL
 
At this point, I am not sure if he ACTUALLY believes the shit he says or if this is his own twisted way of justifying losing to Ohio St so often.

With they way he has been touting Ohio St, it feels like that latter.
I think the same thing for Nebraska fans. Unless being nationally elite means something COMPLETELY different in Nebraska. If being nationally elite means you are competitive in the B1G West -- then yes -- Nebraska can do that. If being nationally elite is winning conference titles, going to the CFP and winning a national title -- Nebraska has little to no chance of ever getting to that level.

Why you ask? Because they have little to no chance of hiring an elite coach to take over their programs, because....................wait for it...........................the elite coaches want jobs where......................................I know this is going to sound crazy..................THE ELITE RECRUITS ARE. It is why they have went from Bo Pelini, to Mike Riley, to Scott Frost. The BEST shot Nebraska had at being elite again is if Scott Frost panned out, as he is a former player. I think we can all agree that didn't happen.

And as i've said repeatedly -- unlike yourself, I'm not a homer. I absolutely despise Ohio State, but they are, FAR AND AWAY, the best team in the B1G and have been for 10+ years. It is why it was such a huge deal when UM beat them this year. Talking trash about them is ridiculous when they are the premier team in the B1G.
 
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You keep talking about titles as if anyone said they are going to go on the next run like we have seen with Bama. Not sure if you know, but what Bama has done with Saban is unprecedented in mCFB. No one is talking about winning titles every other year, we are talking about competing. And it starts with competing for division and conference titles, as for teams that have competed and made the playoff, the most unlikely of scenarios...Cincy did it this past year with their previous 4 recruiting class rankings averaging at 60th. Yes, they lost, but they made their opportunity and they held Bama to only 27 points, which is more than most teams on Bamas schedule can say. To act like other teams, that recruit better couldn't get a coach and compete against top teams is nonsense. Not to mention, that again, recruits follow the winning. If Saban was only winning 4-5 games a year, do you think his recruiting classes would be as stacked? Well, you're an idiot, so you probably do.

Is a team going to win a title full of 3 star recruits??

Is it likely? No, not really, but it absolutely can happen so long as those players are capable of being developed enough. Again, I just listed a bunch of players off the top of my head that were low level recruits, some not ranked or offered at all and were turned into amazing players. Like I said before, look at Watt, Wilson, Suh, etc... do you think their initial recruiting rankings match them when they were done with cfb?

I honestly don't know why I respond to you at all. You are literally only going to repeat the same nonsense over and over. But hey, keep watching the team that you know has no chance of anything because you're a .... "fan". LMAO fuck outta here.
Cincy? Ok -- how is this. If Nebraska plays a G5 schedule, then yes, they have a shot to get into the CFP, like Cincy.

All you have to do is -- recruit a CB that is 5'11" out of Detroit that runs a 4.8 40 and then hope he grows 4" add 30 lbs of muscle in college and shaves 0.5 off his 40 times, like Sauce Gardner. Then sign a 5'11" 145 lb CB no one wanted then wait 4 years -- while the elite programs are using plug and play 4 and 5 star recruits, while having 4 and 5 star recruits waiting in the wings to take over.

You honestly think it is a coincidence that the top programs are located in the top recruiting HS recruiting states? :facepalm:
 
It doesn't really matter.
Everything you see today is the way it's going to be for evah, and evah, and evah.
Only Bama, and Georgia winning natties with an occasional Clemson, LSU, or Ohio St in there.

You know, just 3 or 4 elite teams.........
LIKE COLLEGE FOOTBALL HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN IT'S ENTIRE HISTORY!!!!

Forget the fact that those elite team's coaches are all in the Hall of Fame. LOL
No -- you can add in Texas or Texas A&M if they get the right coach -- why? BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A TALENT RICH STATE. You can add USC in -- why? BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A TALENT RICH STATE. You can add Florida or Florida State too -- why? BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A TALENT RICH STATE.

Nebraska not only has no in state talent, they don't have talent in the surrounding states. You have to convince kids from multiple states away to come to the middle of nowhere, not to play against national rivals like Oklahoma or Texas, but to play regional rivals like Iowa or Wisconsin. This is why in 20+ years, they have signed exactly ONE five star recruit who wasn't from Nebraska. And remember those elite teams I've talked about -- they are signing 2, 3, 4, 5+ five star recruits in a single year and they do it every year.

But hey -- remember how good Nebraska was before the internet. Before national football camps. Before schools starting spending 3+ million a year on recruiting. Before strength and conditioning coaches at the HS level. For the last time -- CFB is COMPLETELY different than 20-30 years. I'm sure Nebraska will be the one outlier out of ALL OF CFB who doesn't need to be elite recruiting.:facepalm:
 
You have to convince kids from multiple states away to come to the middle of nowhere, not to play against national rivals like Oklahoma or Texas, but to play regional rivals like Iowa or Wisconsin.
we weren't rivals like that, but I get what you are saying. I think we all can agree that the old Big12 was set up better for them than the current BiG. However, as I'm sure you have seen, they made the right move leaving the Big12. It's still a storied program, they have more of a major coaching issue than the lack of homegrown talent, imo. Just make the right hire and things will begin to get better
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Anyone who thinks Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia, are going to be king 10 years from now based solely on being in fertile recruiting grounds is a fucking narrow minded idiot.
You can add in a select few other schools also located in talent rich recruiting states if they find the right coach. The key is -- TALENT RICH RECRUITING STATE. Without it -- you aren't going to be nationally elite.

Those schools not in a talent rich recruiting state may have a year where all the bounces and calls go their way. What they won't be though is nationally elite, as in competing for conference titles/national titles on a yearly basis.
we weren't rivals like that, but I get what you are saying. I think we all can agree that the old Big12 was set up better for them than the current BiG. However, as I'm sure you have seen, they made the right move leaving the Big12. It's still a storied program, they have more of a major coaching issue than the lack of homegrown talent, imo. Just make the right hire and things will begin to get better
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Monetarily -- it was a great move for the school. For the football team -- it was a terrible move. Recruiting was already going to be tough for them, but by moving into the B1G and playing almost all games in the Midwest -- it alienated those recruits in Southwest they could pull in the past because they played a few games near those recruits. And recruits in the Midwest grew up watching OSU, UM, MSU, PSU, etc. so Nebraska has little chance of pulling elite recruits out of those states, unless those schools don't offer them.

They will continue to do what they have -- pull in top 15-30 recruiting classes, which may allow them to win the B1G West once in a while, which will give them the opportunity to be the team to lose to the B1G East champ, as has happened every year since they split the conference.

What Bo Pelini did as coach is what Nebraska fans should hope for -- to me -- that is essentially their ceiling. Winning 9 or 10 games and if the stars align, they could win more for a year and then back to the norm.

When Nebraska has signed a grand total of 3 top 100 recruits over 4 years, while teams you compete against, like Ohio State signs 45 in those 4 years -- you aren't going to beat them but once in a blue moon, it doesn't matter who your coach is. ANY program relying on developing 3 star into NFL draft picks cannot win consistently in today's CFB. It isn't happening. You may have a year where MSU gets in and they call it the battle of the "5 star vs 3 star" and Saban could have hung 70 on them, but called off the dogs at the half in the CFP. You may have a team like Michigan get in, but when they play a team with elite talent at every level -- you see how big the difference is.

Nebraska could develop talent in the 80's and 90's because recruits weren't as prepared as they are now. Recruits are closer to their ceiling or schools can project their ceiling due to body frame, that you don't see teams with a ton of guys no one wanted turning into superstars. The one Nebraska fanned hand picked a half dozen, while forgetting to mention -- there are 1000's and 1000's of those kids each year. So it is nothing more than a crap shoot. They mentioned Cincy -- who had an elite defense based on two lockdown CB's. Both 5'11" out of high school, one was 140 lbs, both ran in the 4.7-4.8 range. One grew 4" in college to 6'3" added 40 lbs and dropped his 40 time to 4.4. The other added 40+ lbs and dropped his 40 time to 4.4. That is an anomaly -- that isn't the norm and it DEFINITELY isn't something you can build a program around.
 
College Football:
1. Teams that are already winning a lot typically recruit stronger over a period of time.
2. Teams that do not often recruit in the top 10, but show they can consistently win, create a chance to start recruiting better.
3. Teams that gets lucky and recruit a generational player can sometimes start winning big time...which can help recruiting.
4. Teams that recruit well and don't win consistently are rare. Texas is an example but that won't last forever.
5. The transfer portal changed everything. Miss on a recruiting class and you can still recover with bringing in good transfers.
6. Repeat, the portal changed everything. A team that has recruited well can see good players transfer to other schools.
7. The top 20-25 teams in the country can pull in some players nationally. The top 10 teams do it far more often.
8. Coaching is an important ingredient for success. NIL could make the boosters just as important if things don't change.
9. The longer a program is down, the harder it is to recover their former glory.
10. Money will be even more important in the future with the new amounts that are involved with NIL and conference payouts.
 
yes.

@NewPhoneWhoDis types a lot of fucking words and never says anything of merit.
Yes. Just a coincidence that what i've been saying for years, well before Frost arrived (I actually thought Frost would be your saving grace - I was dead wrong), has all played out.

But Nebraska fans are right........they are just a coach away from the being the only team in the entire NCAA who brings in top 15-30+ recruiting class and will be elite nationally. Coaches are lining up to go to a school with zero in state talent.
 
yes.

@NewPhoneWhoDis types a lot of fucking words and never says anything of merit.
hypothesis presented


Yes. Just a coincidence that what i've been saying for years, well before Frost arrived (I actually thought Frost would be your saving grace - I was dead wrong), has all played out.

But Nebraska fans are right........they are just a coach away from the being the only team in the entire NCAA who brings in top 15-30+ recruiting class and will be elite nationally. Coaches are lining up to go to a school with zero in state talent.

And proven.
 
hypothesis presented




And proven.


1
2021Big Ten39.250180.1117.106.60Scott Frost (3-9)
22020Big Ten350.375350.3750.145.14Scott Frost (3-5)
32019Big Ten570.417360.3332.674.002424Scott Frost (5-7)
42018Big Ten480.333360.3333.484.82Scott Frost (4-8)
52017Big Ten480.333360.3331.528.18Mike Riley (4-8)
62016Big Ten940.692630.6677.552.947Mike Riley (9-4)Music City Bowl-L
72015Big Ten670.462350.3756.563.94Mike Riley (6-7)Foster Farms Bowl-W
82014Big Ten940.692530.62510.261.722211Bo Pelini (9-3), Barney Cotton (0-1)Holiday Bowl-L
92013Big Ten940.692530.6255.220.451818Bo Pelini (9-4)Gator Bowl-W
102012Big Ten1040.714710.8759.794.22171425Bo Pelini (10-4)Capital One Bowl-L
112011Big Ten940.692530.6258.763.0710824Bo Pelini (9-4)Capital One Bowl-L

THIS is point proven. But you are right -- just a coach away. As I said -- all kinds of coaches are lining up to go to a school with zero in state talent and who now have rivals like Wisconsin and Iowa. :facepalm:
 

1
2021Big Ten39.250180.1117.106.60Scott Frost (3-9)
22020Big Ten350.375350.3750.145.14Scott Frost (3-5)
32019Big Ten570.417360.3332.674.002424Scott Frost (5-7)
42018Big Ten480.333360.3333.484.82Scott Frost (4-8)
52017Big Ten480.333360.3331.528.18Mike Riley (4-8)
62016Big Ten940.692630.6677.552.947Mike Riley (9-4)Music City Bowl-L
72015Big Ten670.462350.3756.563.94Mike Riley (6-7)Foster Farms Bowl-W
82014Big Ten940.692530.62510.261.722211Bo Pelini (9-3), Barney Cotton (0-1)Holiday Bowl-L
92013Big Ten940.692530.6255.220.451818Bo Pelini (9-4)Gator Bowl-W
102012Big Ten1040.714710.8759.794.22171425Bo Pelini (10-4)Capital One Bowl-L
112011Big Ten940.692530.6258.763.0710824Bo Pelini (9-4)Capital One Bowl-L

THIS is point proven. But you are right -- just a coach away. As I said -- all kinds of coaches are lining up to go to a school with zero in state talent and who now have rivals like Wisconsin and Iowa. :facepalm:

wow. It takes a special person to copy and paste a wall of numbers that means less than the normal garbage that he types.

congratulations.
 
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