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I don't think they'll lose 6 games though. I think 8-4 is the most realistic option.

There's still enough there probably not to lose to the lower level teams that they shouldn't lose to. Unless the new coaches totally screw the pooch.
People are really underestimating how much the loss of Minter is going to mean for the defense. A great DC and a decent DC is the difference between 11 wins and 7 wins for most teams, especially when the defense is going to be doing most of the heavy lifting.
 
People are really underestimating how much the loss of Minter is going to mean for the defense. A great DC and a decent DC is the difference between 11 wins and 7 wins for most teams, especially when the defense is going to be doing most of the heavy lifting.

Their defense had to do heavy lifting times before under Harbaugh.

Problem here is the offense is more thank likely going to be the worst its been in awhile. This defense is not going to be to the level it was the last couple of years. They have a couple of stars but overall as a unit they've had better groups for sure.

Hilariously a good amount of Michigan fans seem to expect ZERO dropoff on defense.

They are going to miss Corum more than they want to admit too, he's really what made the offense go. Edwards is nice but how reliable is he going to be as a workhorse? They are goin to have to run the ball a ton with that dog shit QB situation (The WRs are very meh too)
 
Their defense had to do heavy lifting times before under Harbaugh.

Problem here is the offense is more thank likely going to be the worst its been in awhile. This defense is not going to be to the level it was the last couple of years. They have a couple of stars but overall as a unit they've had better groups for sure.

Hilariously a good amount of Michigan fans seem to expect ZERO dropoff on defense.

They are going to miss Corum more than they want to admit too, he's really what made the offense go. Edwards is nice but how reliable is he going to be as a workhorse? They are goin to have to run the ball a ton with that dog shit QB situation (The WRs are very meh too)
Mullings will likely be the workhorse back. Edwards is a complimentary back who can break off a long run, but the majority of the time he's just running into the pile and that's it. He was averaging under 4ypc last year before the NCG against the dogshit Washington defense, and he needed those two long runs just to get to 4.2ypc on the season, which considering it's college and they had that elite OL, is also dogshit. I see he's gaining weight this offseason to prepare for a larger load, but that may also zap some of his open field speed that made him useful to begin with.

The DB losses for them are going to hurt against the elite passing attacks they face, especially considering it seems like the offense isn't going to be very efficient. I made the comparison to 2011 OSU, and while they likely won't go 6-7, I could see it being that type of fall off.
 
Mullings will likely be the workhorse back. Edwards is a complimentary back who can break off a long run, but the majority of the time he's just running into the pile and that's it. He was averaging under 4ypc last year before the NCG against the dogshit Washington defense, and he needed those two long runs just to get to 4.2ypc on the season, which considering it's college and they had that elite OL, is also dogshit. I see he's gaining weight this offseason to prepare for a larger load, but that may also zap some of his open field speed that made him useful to begin with.

The DB losses for them are going to hurt against the elite passing attacks they face, especially considering it seems like the offense isn't going to be very efficient. I made the comparison to 2011 OSU, and while they likely won't go 6-7, I could see it being that type of fall off.

I'm not sure how good Mullings really is, he looked awful in 2022 when he had to play. He was ok last year but the bulk of his production was in absolute garbage time. Color me not impressed by a guy average 6 YPC against the Nebraska and Rutgers of the world late in games when those squads are playing their backups as well.

Agreed that Edwards is more of a complimentary back, I don't think he works even close to the same effectiveness level if hes a guy you are relying on to get 25ish carries per game.

The QB play is really going to hold the running offense back as well. You had to at least respect McCarthy, you don't have to do that with Orji or Tuttle, teams are going to fully sell out on the run and make those guys beat them.

With their schedule I think 4 losses is a realistic expectation. Though I could see them beating USC and ending up 9-3 while mediocrely slugging their way through the mid-lower level B1G teams and then getting wrecked by some SEC also ran in a bowl game.
 
Probably because it was a go for broke type of championship and now the whole unit was gutted without leaving much of a succession plan. It's what sets the truly elite programs apart from the others.
Nah, not exactly. If they were to repeat it would still not be as exciting as last season to me. I'm not even excited for other teams I root for in college football that aren't Michigan. I think it's the whole change of conferences besides the transfer portal and NIL. The transfer portal & NIL didn't bother me, but all these conferences changing schools & losing a power conference is a bit overboard.
 
I'm not sure how good Mullings really is, he looked awful in 2022 when he had to play. He was ok last year but the bulk of his production was in absolute garbage time. Color me not impressed by a guy average 6 YPC against the Nebraska and Rutgers of the world late in games when those squads are playing their backups as well.

Agreed that Edwards is more of a complimentary back, I don't think he works even close to the same effectiveness level if hes a guy you are relying on to get 25ish carries per game.

The QB play is really going to hold the running offense back as well. You had to at least respect McCarthy, you don't have to do that with Orji or Tuttle, teams are going to fully sell out on the run and make those guys beat them.

With their schedule I think 4 losses is a realistic expectation. Though I could see them beating USC and ending up 9-3 while mediocrely slugging their way through the mid-lower level B1G teams and then getting wrecked by some SEC also ran in a bowl game.
Orji is a phenomenal athlete, and while he's not going to lead the nation in passing, he still is a concern on the ground. It'll dramatically alter their offense though, and if he doesn't add the passing dimension, they'll have a lot of 3-and-outs. I also see those 4 losses, but other upsets can also happen. If they lose any of their key defenders to injury, that's going to be crippling.
 
Nah, not exactly. If they were to repeat it would still not be as exciting as last season to me. I'm not even excited for other teams I root for in college football that aren't Michigan. I think it's the whole change of conferences besides the transfer portal and NIL. The transfer portal & NIL didn't bother me, but all these conferences changing schools & losing a power conference is a bit overboard.
Change has been the constant in CFB for like 30 years, this is just the latest iteration. I'm with you in that I'd like to see them go back to the 6 BCS conferences, but that's not happening. I do love the 12 team playoff though. It's going to add a lot of intrigue to the postseason this year.
 
Orji is a phenomenal athlete, and while he's not going to lead the nation in passing, he still is a concern on the ground. It'll dramatically alter their offense though, and if he doesn't add the passing dimension, they'll have a lot of 3-and-outs. I also see those 4 losses, but other upsets can also happen. If they lose any of their key defenders to injury, that's going to be crippling.

Orji isnt particularly good at the "read" part of the read option.

He's a great athlete but his running ability is strung up a bit by his lack of field vision and ability to read a defense.

They would basically be relying on him hopefully picking up nice yards in scramble drills a majority of the time for Orji to be very effective.

Defenses will quickly be able to adjust to this, his lack of passing threat for the most part makes it easier to defend him from running as well.

Michigan doesn't really have the overall pieces on offense to make a complete change to a spread option type offense they ran with Denard Robinson. This team is built to play Harbaugh ball. I mean they could try it, but I don't think it would work near as well as theyd want it to.
 
After waiting 26 years and my favorite team winning it all, I haven't been as excited as years past. Feels like the mission is accomplished and not much to look forward to this season. Not sure if it will be more or less fun watching this season. Definitely will be more laid back watching it. Definitely not a fan of the realignment. Rather go back to the old regional conferences & rivalries. Heck bring back the Big East along with the Pac.
Lack of excitement must have to do with the guilt of cheating
 
If Alex Orji can't beat out Jack Tuttle, they may lose 6 or more games. They have a good defense, but they can't play at an elite level when they're constantly on the field.
so i'm listening/reading a deep dive of the UT vs UM game.. UM is replacing 3 out of 5 players out of it's secondary. Their two DTs are the strength of their defense.. the edges are solid (w/ the addition of the kid from Coastal Carolina)

UM wasn't as dominating running the ball a year ago like we would assume.. JJ worked 3 and 6 or 3rd and short very effectively for them a season ago. Now they replace a lot of their OL.. which I also was surprised to know that they had to dip into the portal to shore up the OL they had a season ago..

Orji was more raw than even Milroe was coming out of high school. I think he will get better but this season will have growing pains.

Also give me SC over LSU.. I didn't realize how bad LSU's secondary is. I knew the issues they had along the DL, but that secondary did not improve over the off season.. Give me SCs WR room torching them next month.
 
so i'm listening/reading a deep dive of the UT vs UM game.. UM is replacing 3 out of 5 players out of it's secondary. Their two DTs are the strength of their defense.. the edges are solid (w/ the addition of the kid from Coastal Carolina)

UM wasn't as dominating running the ball a year ago like we would assume.. JJ worked 3 and 6 or 3rd and short very effectively for them a season ago. Now they replace a lot of their OL.. which I also was surprised to know that they had to dip into the portal to shore up the OL they had a season ago..

Orji was more raw than even Milroe was coming out of high school. I think he will get better but this season will have growing pains.

Also give me SC over LSU.. I didn't realize how bad LSU's secondary is. I knew the issues they had along the DL, but that secondary did not improve over the off season.. Give me SCs WR room torching them next month.
Yeah they are minimizing the losses in the secondary, which will be a problem when they're playing teams like Texas, Oregon, Ohio State, and USC.

JJ was an excellent game manager, you're right. However they're actually replacing all 5 starters on the OL, along with Corum who ate up a ton of carries, in addition to JJ and their top two WRs. Orji has a cannon but his accuracy is a major issue on the intermediate/deep balls. If his accuracy improves they'll be fine, but he has a ways to go, and his only weapon with any kind of production is Loveland the TE. Jayden Davis is supposed to be the future for them, so I think Orji has this season alone to prove himself, and I could see him being pulled if he doesn't get it together right away.

I'm big on SC over LSU also. LSU's defense as a whole was pitiful last year but they got bailed out by all the offensive weapons they had, and now they're gone. Also, people seem to forget, this is Brian Kelly. He's a solid coach, but that's been it for his whole career.
 
Orji isnt particularly good at the "read" part of the read option.

He's a great athlete but his running ability is strung up a bit by his lack of field vision and ability to read a defense.

They would basically be relying on him hopefully picking up nice yards in scramble drills a majority of the time for Orji to be very effective.

Defenses will quickly be able to adjust to this, his lack of passing threat for the most part makes it easier to defend him from running as well.

Michigan doesn't really have the overall pieces on offense to make a complete change to a spread option type offense they ran with Denard Robinson. This team is built to play Harbaugh ball. I mean they could try it, but I don't think it would work near as well as theyd want it to.
Yeah the second he faces an athletic defense who can throw multiple coverages at him, he's toast. Even if they were able to make the change to a spread option Denard-type offense, that offense clearly had its limitations. I can't see a scenario where they end up with one consistent starter for the whole season, and none of the options really scream optimism at this point.
 
lol this dude really decided to be a Pat Mahomes clone (temu version)??

think he even got a tan..

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Yeah they are minimizing the losses in the secondary, which will be a problem when they're playing teams like Texas, Oregon, Ohio State, and USC.

JJ was an excellent game manager, you're right. However they're actually replacing all 5 starters on the OL, along with Corum who ate up a ton of carries, in addition to JJ and their top two WRs. Orji has a cannon but his accuracy is a major issue on the intermediate/deep balls. If his accuracy improves they'll be fine, but he has a ways to go, and his only weapon with any kind of production is Loveland the TE. Jayden Davis is supposed to be the future for them, so I think Orji has this season alone to prove himself, and I could see him being pulled if he doesn't get it together right away.

I'm big on SC over LSU also. LSU's defense as a whole was pitiful last year but they got bailed out by all the offensive weapons they had, and now they're gone. Also, people seem to forget, this is Brian Kelly. He's a solid coach, but that's been it for his whole career.

He is 8-3 against USC in his career. Not saying that means much given all the changes, but he's regularly beaten them.
 
Nah, not exactly. If they were to repeat it would still not be as exciting as last season to me. I'm not even excited for other teams I root for in college football that aren't Michigan. I think it's the whole change of conferences besides the transfer portal and NIL. The transfer portal & NIL didn't bother me, but all these conferences changing schools & losing a power conference is a bit overboard.
I can't blame them for changing due to the difference in revenue. What sucks imho is the size of the conferences. I'm an old school "Get off my lawn" guy. I still best way to way to crown the conference champion is for all of them to play each other every year. But I guess CCGs changed how conferences decide their champion regardless of size.
 
He is 8-3 against USC in his career. Not saying that means much given all the changes, but he's regularly beaten them.
But didn't USC suck most of those years? I'm having a hard time remembering the last time USC WAS good.
 
He is 8-3 against USC in his career. Not saying that means much given all the changes, but he's regularly beaten them.
To be fair, USC had some real crap years during BK's time at ND. Out of his 8 wins, only 2 were against USC when they had double digit wins.
 
To be fair, USC had some real crap years during BK's time at ND. Out of his 8 wins, only 2 were against USC when they had double digit wins.

For sure. I just don't think this will be a vintage SC team. I know you and I differ on what their outcome might be, which makes this game all the more fascinating.
 
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