tOfficial Fire Ryan Day thread.

fishinabarrel said:
2-3 more seasons as long as he is winning. Last season we got ran over. This season, despite the score looking bad we completed. There were multiple plays that could have changed a lot of that game.

This loss cannot be all put on coaching. At the end of the day we had receivers drop catchable balls, Stroud missed on a couple, defensive backfield all played the worst games of their lives at the same time and way too many dumb penalties.
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I blame a lot of it on coaching

The defensive backfield, which isnt great to begin with, was put in a position to constantly fail but the constant cover zero approach, which they REFUSED to go away from even when it was clear it wasnt working. That is piss poor coaching.

Day broke Stroud IMO. I don't know exactly what it is, but i'd speculate its his love of switching to game plans that take Stroud's arm talent out of the game. Seems like it would make a QB think the coach doesnt trust him and make him more hesitant.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I blame a lot of it on coaching

The defensive backfield, which isnt great to begin with, was put in a position to constantly fail but the constant cover zero approach, which they REFUSED to go away from even when it was clear it wasnt working. That is piss poor coaching.

Day broke Stroud IMO. I don't know exactly what it is, but i'd speculate its his love of switching to game plans that take Stroud's arm talent out of the game. Seems like it would make a QB think the coach doesnt trust him and make him more hesitant.
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They went out of the cover zero and Michigan started running the ball down our throats, including 70+ yard touchdown run. You take away what a team is best at. Defensive gameplan did that. Michigan had 1 yard rushing at half and Ohio State was moving the ball well running and passing but stupid mental errors kept stalling drives.

Cam Brown absolutely has to make that tackle on the 3rd and 10 that allowed the first TD, or at the very least get more than the dudes fucking towel. I don't care if you are in run support, those receivers were open by 10+ yards. Martinez was in a deep safety position on the second touchdown. He was not in run support. Burke took the short out pattern and Martinez just let the receiver run right past him
 
fishinabarrel said:
They went out of the cover zero and Michigan started running the ball down our throats, including 70+ yard touchdown run. You take away what a team is best at. Defensive gameplan did that. Michigan had 1 yard rushing at half and Ohio State was moving the ball well running and passing but stupid mental errors kept stalling drives.

Cam Brown absolutely has to make that tackle on the 3rd and 10 that allowed the first TD, or at the very least get more than the dudes fucking towel. I don't care if you are in run support, those receivers were open by 10+ yards. Martinez was in a deep safety position on the second touchdown. He was not in run support. Burke took the short out pattern and Martinez just let the receiver run right past him
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Offense is way too reliant on scoring with big plays. When Day has to actually coach to get into the End Zone from like <30 or so yards out it turns into a cluster fuck.

Them running up and trying to go real fast after big plays almost always results in a penalty or a ugly play that gets nothing or is negative, yet they still do it about every time. More bad coaching.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Offense is way too reliant on scoring with big plays. When Day has to actually coach to get into the End Zone from like <30 or so yards out it turns into a cluster fuck.

Them running up and trying to go real fast after big plays almost always results in a penalty or a ugly play that gets nothing or is negative, yet they still do it about every time. More bad coaching.
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I'll agree with you on the second part. I've said that before that those stupid rush to the line plays don't seem to work for us.

We had two touchdowns in situations you just mentioned off the top of my head that the players screwed up. 3rd and 1 and Stroud throws a little too far for Stover allowing the LB to break up a one handed grab attempt and the other where the ball was squeezed in Stovers hands and he allowed a 190 pound DB to knock it out. Also Stroud floated that pass but he was under pressure.

Too many dumb penalties hurt us on short fields as well but don't remember specific examples and I'm still too sick to my stomach to go back and rewatch or look at the play by play
 
fishinabarrel said:
2-3 more seasons as long as he is winning. Last season we got ran over. This season, despite the score looking bad we completed. There were multiple plays that could have changed a lot of that game.

This loss cannot be all put on coaching. At the end of the day we had receivers drop catchable balls, Stroud missed on a couple, defensive backfield all played the worst games of their lives at the same time and way too many dumb penalties.
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one thing that was puzzling (but I wasn't complaining as a UM fan) was the lack of Stroud running. There were opportunities for him to pick up yards with his feet but he would throw instead. Michigan did a really good job covering OSU's receivers. Sainristil's breakup on the Stover throw in the endzone was huge.
 
fishinabarrel said:
I'll agree with you on the second part. I've said that before that those stupid rush to the line plays don't seem to work for us.

We had two touchdowns in situations you just mentioned off the top of my head that the players screwed up. 3rd and 1 and Stroud throws a little too far for Stover allowing the LB to break up a one handed grab attempt and the other where the ball was squeezed in Stovers hands and he allowed a 190 pound DB to knock it out. Also Stroud floated that pass but he was under pressure.

Too many dumb penalties hurt us on short fields as well but don't remember specific examples and I'm still too sick to my stomach to go back and rewatch or look at the play by play
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Stroud's hesitation caused these incompletions. You can say Stover "shoulda caught it" but if Stroud throws the ball a tick earlier instead of hesitating its easy completions.

Stroud has been a hesitant head case since the Iowa game pretty much. I still Stand by that Day broke him somehow and made him constantly question every decision he makes enough to that it throws the timing off and results in plays that should be big plays being incompletions.
 
navamind said:
one thing that was puzzling (but I wasn't complaining as a UM fan) was the lack of Stroud running. There were opportunities for him to pick up yards with his feet but he would throw instead. Michigan did a really good job covering OSU's receivers. Sainristil's breakup on the Stover throw in the endzone was huge.
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Welcome to OSU fans' experience the last two years. He has more than enough ability to take off with the ball, he just never does. It's infuriating.
 
Across The Field said:
Welcome to OSU fans' experience the last two years. He has more than enough ability to take off with the ball, he just never does. It's infuriating.
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That was one of our concerns heading into this game too. Michigan had some issues this year with containing QBs.

So weird seeing such passive QB play from you guys, you'd kill us with QB runs in the past with Barrett/Miller and even Haskins ran effectively in 2018. Even in 2019 Fields only ran 6 times against us (though Dobbins carving us may have played a role in that).
 
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navamind said:
one thing that was puzzling (but I wasn't complaining as a UM fan) was the lack of Stroud running. There were opportunities for him to pick up yards with his feet but he would throw instead. Michigan did a really good job covering OSU's receivers. Sainristil's breakup on the Stover throw in the endzone was huge.
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Once again. The Blame goes to Day. I think it was drilled into Stroud's head early that he has to be the classic pure pocket passer.

Stroud isnt the fastest but he isnt a complete statue either, wouldnt hurt at all for him to move around some.

Sainristils breakup goes right back to Strouds hesitation. He throws that ball a tick earlier and its a easy completion for a TD, but Stroud hesitates, throws a little late, and gives the DB that extra step to get there and break it up.
 
navamind said:
That was one of our concerns heading into this game too. Michigan had some issues this year with containing QBs.

So weird seeing such passive QB play from you guys, you'd kill us with QB runs in the past with Barrett/Miller and even Haskins ran effectively in 2018. Even in 2019 Fields only ran 6 times against us (though Dobbins carving us may have played a role in that).
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Yeah I think all OSU fans are ready to get back to that. Fields was hurt in 2019 but thankfully we didn't need him to run too much, but yeah having Barrett in the past especially was important for our offense (especially in years like this year when we're down to our 4th/5th string RBs at times). We will definitely have to learn from these past two years of Stroud and evaluate things next year. It may make the difference between if McCord (not so mobile) or Devin Brown (rather mobile) wins the job.
 
Across The Field said:
Yeah I think all OSU fans are ready to get back to that. Fields was hurt in 2019 but thankfully we didn't need him to run too much, but yeah having Barrett in the past especially was important for our offense (especially in years like this year when we're down to our 4th/5th string RBs at times). We will definitely have to learn from these past two years of Stroud and evaluate things next year. It may make the difference between if McCord (not so mobile) or Devin Brown (rather mobile) wins the job.
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People whined so much about Meyers reliance on the RPO with Barrett, id KILL to have that back over Days "reliance" on WR screens and slow developing outside runs (that of course dont work)
 
osubuckeye89 said:
People whined so much about Meyers reliance on the RPO with Barrett, id KILL to have that back over Days "reliance" on WR screens and slow developing outside runs (that of course dont work)
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The pieces are there this year, we just aren't executing. Hell, Stroud's first TD ever was a 50 yard run, but he just won't do it anymore and it's obviously cost us on plenty of occasions. Whether it's Brown or McCord next year, they'll have to be willing to use their feet. Whatever gets us to Raiola I guess.
 
Across The Field said:
The pieces are there this year, we just aren't executing. Hell, Stroud's first TD ever was a 50 yard run, but he just won't do it anymore and it's obviously cost us on plenty of occasions. Whether it's Brown or McCord next year, they'll have to be willing to use their feet. Whatever gets us to Raiola I guess.
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I think Stroud is more "mobile" than McCord. Brown is easily the most mobile of the bunch. He's no Braxton Miller by any means but he moves pretty well enough to get yards with his feet.

I'm hoping Brown wins the job next year because of that, but who knows. They never let McCord really do anything when he got into games. So I guess we will really have to wait and see with next year.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I think Stroud is more "mobile" than McCord. Brown is easily the most mobile of the bunch. He's no Braxton Miller by any means but he moves pretty well enough to get yards with his feet.

I'm hoping Brown wins the job next year because of that, but who knows. They never let McCord really do anything when he got into games. So I guess we will really have to wait and see with next year.
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Yeah it's a toss-up at this point. I think McCord might be the more polished passer and faced better competition in HS, but Brown has a higher ceiling overall I think. We may need to bring someone in from the portal depending on if McCord or Brown transfers but again, just get us to Raiola and we'll be fine til 2027.
 
Stroud coming out and saying that "one loss doesn't define us" pretty much sums up the collective attitude of the players and coaches at the moment. Zero leadership or accountability.

One loss DOES define you when its a 2nd straight beat down to your rival in the biggest game of the year with a trip to the conference title game and CFP on the line. No matter how you want to try to spin it.

This whole thing is pretty much a complete organizational failure from top to bottom. That needs to be fixed somehow or this will just continue from year to year.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Stroud coming out and saying that "one loss doesn't define us" pretty much sums up the collective attitude of the players and coaches at the moment. Zero leadership or accountability.

One loss DOES define you when its a 2nd straight beat down to your rival in the biggest game of the year with a trip to the conference title game and CFP on the line. No matter how you want to try to spin it.

This whole thing is pretty much a complete organizational failure from top to bottom. That needs to be fixed somehow or this will just continue from year to year.
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Consecutive losses for Ohio State. When was the last time? I know it doesn't happen often.

2022. Lost to Michigan and Georgia back-to-back. When before that?
 
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