What If JFK Wasn’t a Conspiracy

[batchaps4me]

yeah… I’m with this. Again, I’m not a shooter so I’m not in a position to say one way or the other. To me it’s just implausible. To me you don’t waste a shot bc you don’t know if you’re gonna get a second or third shot. The rifle was oswalds. He knew it. In some ways it’s an extension of him. You don’t waste a shot.

However, I’m not a sniper. Would a sniper want the luxury of being able to adjust for such things as wind if they BELIEVED they’d have an opportunity for a second shot? I guess that’s why I threw it out for discussion and tagged those two posters.

Once you get into the field the only adjustment you make is to your aiming point. If you hit high and right, you just aim low and left next time. There is no time to work on the scope. BTW a friend of mine handed me a .45 of his one day when we were target shooting and the bastard loosened the rear sight ... could not hit shit nor even miss right.

I’m sure there was a requirement for a proper lineup, but what other suspects were there. They very quickly felt they had this case by the balls. I’m not sure why you don’t bring some other prisoners in for the lineup to fill it out instead of cops.

To us the lineup look fixed and is definitely improper but during the times in question that was legally acceptable and very common. I think it was 1967 when SCOTUS first ruled that the arrested person had the right to have an attorney present for the lineup and witnesses it.

 

[DraftNerd]

Once you get into the field the only adjustment you make is to your aiming point. If you hit high and right, you just aim low and left next time. There is no time to work on the scope. BTW a friend of mine handed me a .45 of his one day when we were target shooting and the bastard loosened the rear sight ... could not hit shit nor even miss right.


To us the lineup look fixed and is definitely improper but during the times in question that was legally acceptable and very common. I think it was 1967 when SCOTUS first ruled that the arrested person had the right to have an attorney present for the lineup and witnesses it.

And that’s good context. Looking at this with today’s perspective it looks like a frame up all day long. Understanding the context of the time at least helps frame it some.

The clothes makes it feel stacked. So does the swollen eye he has. That couldn’t be helped, he tried to fight the arresting officers.

 

[broncosmitty]

@broncosmitty id like to hear your thoughts on why you think there was a grassy knoll shooter. Obviously, you’ve mentioned that you have this belief because of the movement of the head/body going backwards. Is that the main reason? Are there any other reasons? What type of gun did this shooter use? Same as Oswald? Any thoughts you have on why you think a shooter was in the knoll would be appreciated.

This question is posed to smitty but really anyone is free to answer it. I’m interested in why people think there was someone there shooting.

JFK got shot in the front. Sending bits of skull and brain over the trunk and his head back, and to the left.

No idea what type of gun. I’d assume a rifle, for accuracy. And a powerful one, on account of the damage inflicted.

Not just specifically the noll. Could’ve been back further, behind the fence, from the window of a parked vehicle. I don’t have a hardline theory. Just don’t believe it was from the snipers nest in tTSBD window.

 

[DraftNerd]

JFK got shot in the front. Sending bits of skull and brain over the trunk and his head back, and to the left.

No idea what type of gun. I’d assume a rifle, for accuracy. And a powerful one, on account of the damage inflicted.

Not just specifically the noll. Could’ve been back further, behind the fence, from the window of a parked vehicle. I don’t have a hardline theory. Just don’t believe it was from the snipers nest in tTSBD window.

Thanks for sharing. I won’t ask condescending follow ups. We all know that a gun shot to the body (a through and through, which this was) leaves a bigger hole going out then coming in.

The front right of his head was blown out drastically.

Why was the back of his skull not blown out on the exit?

 

[ojb81]

You don't sight in a rifle in seconds, or a few minutes. If he knew his weapon and shot it at ranges then it was already sighted in.
Plus I don't see how shooting through a tree would help sight something in.

what fish said. i mean, yeah, kentucky windage is a thing, but, he had to have had it properly zero'd for those shots.

 

[DraftNerd]

what fish said. i mean, yeah, kentucky windage is a thing, but, he had to have had it properly zero'd for those shots.

If I’m guessing (and we all are) he dialed it in as best he could by eye before any shots. I guess. It’s just what makes the most sense

The way he transported it I can’t see the scope being locked in still.

 

[broncosmitty]

Thanks for sharing. I won’t ask condescending follow ups. We all know that a gun shot to the body (a through and through, which this was) leaves a bigger hole going out then coming in.

The front right of his head was blown out drastically.

Why was the back of his skull not blown out on the exit?

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That is a drawing.

Note the front right of JFKs head and mushroom growing out of it.

 

[ojb81]

thx man. VERY helpful and thorough

What he said lol

 

[DraftNerd]

That is a drawing.

Note the front right of JFKs head and mushroom growing out of it.

Perhaps this was a drawing.

Then how about this one? That mushroom is the entrance wound as you put it. Why isn’t the back of skull not blown out by the exit?

 

[dbldwn711]

JFK got shot in the front. Sending bits of skull and brain over the trunk and his head back, and to the left.

No idea what type of gun. I’d assume a rifle, for accuracy. And a powerful one, on account of the damage inflicted.

Not just specifically the noll. Could’ve been back further, behind the fence, from the window of a parked vehicle. I don’t have a hardline theory. Just don’t believe it was from the snipers nest in tTSBD window.

i read somewhere that the reason the brain and skull ended up on the trunk was because the vehicle was driving forward so when that stuff flew up into the air the car was moving forward and it landed on the trunk. In other words, it didn’t fly backwards but rather up in the air and the car drove under it so it fell more towards the back of the car. That seems to make some sense to me. What do you think?

 

[broncosmitty]

Perhaps this was a drawing.

Then how about this one? That mushroom is the entrance wound as you put it. Why isn’t the back of skull not blown out by the exit?

The back was blown out.

This is a chunk of skull, from the back of the head, found the next day and shipped to Bethesda.



In your pick the scalp in flipped down. It’s holding together a large chunk of smashed skull.

 

[broncosmitty]

i read somewhere that the reason the brain and skull ended up on the trunk was because the vehicle was driving forward so when that stuff flew up into the air the car was moving forward and it landed on the trunk. In other words, it didn’t fly backwards but rather up in the air and the car drove under it so it fell more towards the back of the car. That seems to make some sense to me. What do you think?

The car was going a little over ten miles an hour. Blood, brain and skull got on the windshields of police motorcycles following the limo.

Minute droplets are going to hang in the air, but not skull and globs of brains.

 

[dbldwn711]

The car was going a little over ten miles an hour. Blood, brain and skull got on the windshields of police motorcycles following the limo.

Minute droplets are going to hang in the air, but not skull and globs of brains.

Yes, I heard the same thing about the motorcycle cops behind them as well. The thinking is they drove into the stuff that was in the air also as they were moving forward.

Here’s the infamous frame 313 of the Zapruder film. It captures the moment of impact. I’ve gotta admit that, to me, that looks like it’s exiting the front, going straight up and then the car is driving under it.

 

[DraftNerd]

The back was blown out.

This is a chunk of skull, from the back of the head, found the next day and shipped to Bethesda.

View attachment 37258

In your pick the scalp in flipped down. It’s holding together a large chunk of smashed skull.

Where is this from? I just mean sourcing, I would like to read up more.

 

[DraftNerd]

Yes, I heard the same thing about the motorcycle cops behind them as well. The thinking is they drove into the stuff that was in the air also as they were moving forward.

Here’s the infamous frame 313 of the Zapruder film. It captures the moment of impact. I’ve gotta admit that, to me, that looks like it’s exiting the front, going straight up and then the car is driving under it.

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Agreed. Whatever the direction that splatter is going to go backwards even if all is going 10mph. Smaller mass once liberated will decelerate.

I just can’t see how this is from the front. A bullet of this size working it’s way through the head will create massive overpressure, and push it as it goes. The result is the exit of the bullet creates a massive opening and damage on its way out.

 

[Nosferatu]

Yes, I heard the same thing about the motorcycle cops behind them as well. The thinking is they drove into the stuff that was in the air also as they were moving forward.

Here’s the infamous frame 313 of the Zapruder film. It captures the moment of impact. I’ve gotta admit that, to me, that looks like it’s exiting the front, going straight up and then the car is driving under it.

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If you look at what Jackie does when she tries to get on the trunk she reaches for something on the drivers side of the car so the pieces that flew up also went back and to the left. They were going 11 MPH or less when his head was hit and I don't believe there were gale force winds that day.

Also as I said yesterday hitmen and mobsters would hollow out the head of the bullet and put liquid mercury in the head to cause the bullet to explode on impact. Why did that shot explode and the other shot(s) didn't? Kinda points to a different gun and or shooter unless Oswald saved the bullet knowing he'd hit the head on shot three.

 

[broncosmitty]

Yes, I heard the same thing about the motorcycle cops behind them as well. The thinking is they drove into the stuff that was in the air also as they were moving forward.

Here’s the infamous frame 313 of the Zapruder film. It captures the moment of impact. I’ve gotta admit that, to me, that looks like it’s exiting the front, going straight up and then the car is driving under it.

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I see it differently.

Then I see the next 20-30 frames as he falls back.

 

[broncosmitty]

Where is this from? I just mean sourcing, I would like to read up more.

It’s called the Harper Fragment. Found 20-25 feet to the left hand side of where the limo was. (Assuming near where the lady in red was standing.)

Dude named Billy Harper found it on the 23rd, the day after the shooting. Took to his uncle, a doctor in Dallas.

 

[dbldwn711]

If you look at what Jackie does when she tries to get on the trunk she reaches for something on the drivers side of the car so the pieces that flew up also went back and to the left. They were going 11 MPH or less when his head was hit and I don't believe there were gale force winds that day.

Also as I said yesterday hitmen and mobsters would hollow out the head of the bullet and put liquid mercury in the head to cause the bullet to explode on impact. Why did that shot explode and the other shot(s) didn't? Kinda points to a different gun and or shooter unless Oswald saved the bullet knowing he'd hit the head on shot three.

I’ll have to watch it again but even if she reaches as you say this stuff is landing on a moving car. It’s gonna slide in all kinds of directions. I’m not sure this is probative if anything.

 

[dbldwn711]

The back was blown out.

This is a chunk of skull, from the back of the head, found the next day and shipped to Bethesda.

View attachment 37258

In your pick the scalp in flipped down. It’s holding together a large chunk of smashed skull.

It’s called the Harper Fragment. Found 20-25 feet to the left hand side of where the limo was. (Assuming near where the lady in red was standing.)

Dude named Billy Harper found it on the 23rd, the day after the shooting. Took to his uncle, a doctor in Dallas.

Actually, it has been determined that this piece of bone is NOT from the back of the presidents head but rather the top. Also, this bone was found 20-25 feet SOUTH of where the limo was which is actually IN FRONT of the limo (not behind it).

This is all explained in this link:

McAdams's Kennedy Assassination Home Page Index

mcadams.posc.mu.edu