Poll Which dead program is the most dead?

Most dead program

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williewilliejuan said:
I’m pretty sure Nebraska is the only one of the bunch giving away home game tickets to orphans and homeless people just so they can say they sold the game out.
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Nebraska didn't give them away, a money bag booster did
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Ok. So point to a case that would prove that. What team has had national success without also recruiting success?
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NU_FTW said:
You're missing the point, I never said recruiting doesn't make it easier but it isn't the end all be all you and some other mouth breathers claim it to be. Go back and look at Clemson's natty winning class rankings then get back to me
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Red_Alert said:
Yeah, they averaged about 16th in Dabo's early years. They started getting Top 10 classes after they became successful.
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
2016 was Clemson's first national title. The 4 classes prior were:

2013 - 15th
2014 - 16th
2015 - 9th
2016 - 11th

Their worst class in that 4 year cycle was higher than Nebraska's best recruiting rank in the last 10 years.
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Why you always gotta be so disingenuous?
To get a complete picture of Clemson's 2015 CFP
season, you'd have to go back to 2011 for seniors that had redshirted, or to 2012 for true seniors.
Clemson didn't get to the CFP with freshman and sophomores.

He brought the first 10 win seasons to Clemson since 1990. The more Dabo proved he could coach them up, the higher rankings the recruiting classes got.

Clemson Recruiting Rankings

2010: 27th (6-7)
2011: 10th (10-4)
2012: 20th (11-2)
2013: 15th (11-2)
2014: 16th (10-3)
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Average Ranking: 18th

2015: 9th (14-1) CFP Final
2016: 11th (14-1) Natty

The average of all those classes is 15.4

That's pretty far removed from Bama, Ohio St, etc..
Dabo could develop players and coached them up.
 
Red_Alert said:
Why you always gotta be so disingenuous?
To get a complete picture of Clemson's 2015 CFP
season, you'd have to go back to 2011 for seniors that had redshirted, or to 2012 for true seniors.
Clemson didn't get to the CFP with freshman and sophomores.

He brought the first 10 win seasons to Clemson since 1990. The more Dabo proved he could coach them up, the higher rankings the recruiting classes got.

Clemson Recruiting Rankings

2010: 27th (6-7)
2011: 10th (10-4)
2012: 20th (11-2)
2013: 15th (11-2)
2014: 16th (10-3)
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Average Ranking: 18th

2015: 9th (14-1) CFP Final
2016: 11th (14-1) Natty

The average of all those classes is 15.4

That's pretty far removed from Bama, Ohio St, etc..
Dabo could develop players and coached them up.
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Red_Alert said:
Why you always gotta be so disingenuous?
To get a complete picture of Clemson's 2015 CFP
season, you'd have to go back to 2011 for seniors that had redshirted, or to 2012 for true seniors.
Clemson didn't get to the CFP with freshman and sophomores.

He brought the first 10 win seasons to Clemson since 1990. The more Dabo proved he could coach them up, the higher rankings the recruiting classes got.

Clemson Recruiting Rankings

2010: 27th (6-7)
2011: 10th (10-4)
2012: 20th (11-2)
2013: 15th (11-2)
2014: 16th (10-3)
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Average Ranking: 18th

2015: 9th (14-1) CFP Final
2016: 11th (14-1) Natty

The average of all those classes is 15.4

That's pretty far removed from Bama, Ohio St, etc..
Dabo could develop players and coached them up.
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There’s nothing disingenuous. Clemsons classes, at worst, averaged in the top 18 before the made a playoff. Top 15 by the time they won a title. Nebraska is averaging well outside the top 20 and has been for over a decade.

in the rarest example that exists. It no where comes near to anything Nebraska has proven they’re able to accomplish in recruiting.
 
williewilliejuan said:
Look at you trying to make my nether regions tingle. You’re a scamp.
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I have a proprietary blend of itching powder fiberglass particles and icy hot guaranteed to keep you going all night
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
There’s nothing disingenuous. Clemsons classes, at worst, averaged in the top 18 before the made a playoff. Top 15 by the time they won a title. Nebraska is averaging well outside the top 20 and has been for over a decade.
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😂 You're not being serious, you're the one who thinks they magically were always top 10 recruiting before winning jack shit
 
NU_FTW said:
😂 You're not being serious, you're the one who thinks they magically were always top 10 recruiting before winning jack shit
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Clemson was recruiting well before Dabo took over as head coach. They had a couple bad classes in his first 6 years or so but on average was consistently pulling in top 20 classes. It’s just not comparable to Nebraska.
2005 #17
2006 #16
2007 #16
2008 #12
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Clemson was recruiting well before Dabo took over as head coach. They had a couple bad classes in his first 6 years or so but on average was consistently pulling in top 20 classes. It’s just not comparable to Nebraska.
2005 #17
2006 #16
2007 #16
2008 #12
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Keep walking those goalposts around lmfao 🤣😆😂 you're one goofy ass sob
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
There’s nothing disingenuous. Clemsons classes, at worst, averaged in the top 18 before the made a playoff. Top 15 by the time they won a title. Nebraska is averaging well outside the top 20 and has been for over a decade.

in the rarest example that exists. It no where comes near to anything Nebraska has proven they’re able to accomplish in recruiting.
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Clemson won at an elite level with average 15th ranked classes. I'd said 16, but 15.4 supports my point.

Nebraska hasn't had a coach that can develop players and get them lined up right.
Nebraska can't even kick an extra point, kick-off, or cover kicks. They can't hold onto the ball, block, or keep from having step on their dicks false start penalties.
I don't remember which game it was last season, but Nebraska started the game with 4 false start penalties IN A ROW. First 4 plays, 4 false starts. That was after another of Frost's ad nauseam "We had a great week of practice" pre-game pressers.

I answered Nebraska as "most dead" in this poll because in my mind they're the furthest away than any of those teams from getting back to relevance. i.e. Division and/or Conference Championships.
Not from a recruiting standpoint (until this year anyway), but from a coaching standpoint.
Win with the players they've had and the recruiting will improve with it. The earlier years of Dabo/Clemson is a prime example of that.

BTW... Nebraska's 5 year average recruiting classes......

2017: 23rd
2018: 23rd
2019: 17th
2020: 20th
2021: 20th
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Average: 20.6

That is barely out of the Top 20, not "well outside the top 20 for over a decade". Once again you're being disingenuous.

Either way that 20.6 average was higher than any other Big 10 West division team, but resulted in 4-8's and 3-9's.
That's not recruiting. That's a lack of player development and getting them lined up right.
 
NU_FTW said:
Don't worry 0reg0n still hasn't been relevant ever regardless of mode of transportation
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if you dont think Oregon hasnt been more relevant than Nebraska in recent history you are more delusional than we thought
 
OlyDuck said:
if you dont think Oregon hasnt been more relevant than Nebraska in recent history you are more delusional than we thought
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Don't worry 0reg0n still hasn't been relevant ever regardless of mode of transportation
 
Well Washington has been dead long enough that no one even considers them anymore. Media is still shocked every year Nebraska is bad.
 
Nebraska is clearly the 'most dead'.

But as I said, it's not because of recruiting. It's simply lack of player development and coaching.
This is the result of average 20th ranked recruiting classes.

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Too much $5 Little Caesars 'Hot & Ready', Xbox, and Susie Rottencrotch in Lincoln.

Players do the bare minimums and don't put their personal time into getting better. Nutrition table, Weight room, Film room, etc..
It's prevalent in the big 3 Husker men's sports. (Football, Basketball, Baseball). Horrible 'culture'.
The women's teams (volleyball, softball, bowling) compete just fine.
 
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