GAME 2023 NFL Draft Thread

Across The Field said:
Mosely and Sutton are solid players. ENORMOUS upgrades? Not so sure. They're coming from two teams that routinely have elite defenses year in/year out regardless of players. Let's see how they play in Detroit now, a team that hasn't had a legitimately good defense for as long as I can recall. I remember thinking Cleveland's secondary was gonna be stacked with they signed John Johnson and Troy Hill, who were beasts before going to Cleveland, and both ended up being cut before their contracts were up.
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Yes -- Enormous upgrades, especially Sutton and Gardner-Johnson. Moseley is a solid player and better CB than Okudah, but Sutton and CGJ are HUGE upgrades. Sutton was top 5 in the NFL in pass defensed last year to go with 3 interceptions. CGJ led the NFL in interceptions last year.

So secondary for Detroit is without a doubt the most improved over last year's roster. And I'm not overly concerned with players flopping as Sutton and CGJ are 1 year deals, so they are on prove it deals. Sutton just turned 28, so we will get his prime years as his deal is for 3 years.
 
Across The Field said:
So, again, this was when he had a concussion. Not sure why you keep leaving that out as if it made no impact. Plenty of sports writers from different publications have said he played well before then but for some reason your opinion as a casual sports fan somehow trumps that.
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He had the concussion in week 11. You are trying to say his concussion caused him to get beat deep over and over last year?

I don't know if this is something they keep track of, but I'd be willing to wager, Okudah ranks at the very bottom of the NFL when in coverage on deep balls. Not for just the last 7 games last year, but for his entire stint in the NFL. He has struggle so much that the team that drafted PAID a team to take him. Guess who knows WAAAAAY more than sports writers of different publications????? The head coach and GM.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yes -- Enormous upgrades, especially Sutton and Gardner-Johnson. Moseley is a solid player and better CB than Okudah, but Sutton and CGJ are HUGE upgrades. Sutton was top 5 in the NFL in pass defensed last year to go with 3 interceptions. CGJ led the NFL in interceptions last year.

So secondary for Detroit is without a doubt the most improved over last year's roster. And I'm not overly concerned with players flopping as Sutton and CGJ are 1 year deals, so they are on prove it deals. Sutton just turned 28, so we will get his prime years as his deal is for 3 years.
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Better hope the Lions' poor defensive coaching is somehow flipped 180 degrees this year, I suppose. My guess is you see more improvement from Okudah in Atlanta than you do in the Lions' defense.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
He had the concussion in week 11. You are trying to say his concussion caused him to get beat deep over and over last year?

I don't know if this is something they keep track of, but I'd be willing to wager, Okudah ranks at the very bottom of the NFL when in coverage on deep balls. Not for just the last 7 games last year, but for his entire stint in the NFL. He has struggle so much that the team that drafted PAID a team to take him. Guess who knows WAAAAAY more than sports writers of different publications????? The head coach and GM.
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It was pretty well covered in the articles I sent to you that he played much, much better before suffering the concussion. Do you know what a concussion does to you? It's not something that just clears up in a few hours and you're fine.

Also, there are plenty of very stupid head coaches and GMs in the NFL, and not many teams have employed more of them than the Lions. They don't exactly have a great track record of identifying/developing defensive talent, but I guess you have inside intel that this year is going to be the exact opposite of what we've seen from them for the last 15 years or so.
 
this thread sucks now
 
Across The Field said:
Better hope the Lions' poor defensive coaching is somehow flipped 180 degrees this year, I suppose. My guess is you see more improvement from Okudah in Atlanta than you do in the Lions' defense.
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Yes -- it was Matt Patricia's fault, then it was Aaron Glenn's fault Okudah was a flop, not the fact he can't cover no name receivers on deep balls or the fact if QB's got to throw at Okudah all game, every game, they'd all have numbers like Aaron Rodgers historic season in 2011.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yes -- it was Matt Patricia's fault, then it was Aaron Glenn's fault Okudah was a flop, not the fact he can't cover no name receivers on deep balls or the fact if QB's got to throw at Okudah all game, every game, they'd all have numbers like Aaron Rodgers historic season in 2011.
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Actually, it's pretty well known that Patricia fucked Okudah up as a rookie by playing him out of position and in the wrong scheme. You say you're a huge Lions fan but you don't know that?
 
Across The Field said:
It was pretty well covered in the articles I sent to you that he played much, much better before suffering the concussion. Do you know what a concussion does to you? It's not something that just clears up in a few hours and you're fine.

Also, there are plenty of very stupid head coaches and GMs in the NFL, and not many teams have employed more of them than the Lions. They don't exactly have a great track record of identifying/developing defensive talent, but I guess you have inside intel that this year is going to be the exact opposite of what we've seen from them for the last 15 years or so.
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Seeing as how Detroit has an entirely knew coaching staff and front office -- I'm confused on why we'd be talking about 15 years ago? But if you did want to -- Detroit had top 5 defenses when we had Suh at DT. Not that it matters, but figured I'd point it out.

And this front office you speak of who "doesn't have a great track record identifying talent" -- Hutchinson finished running up in ROTY voting last year and led rookies in Sacks. James Houston was #2 in the NFL for sacks by a rookie. Kerby Joseph took over as a starter at Safety in the 2nd half of the season. Malcolm Rodriguez was named the the All-Rookie team at LB.

Plus -- the front office was smart enough to rid themselves of a player which only makes the defense better. I look at it as an addition by subtraction. It is unfortunate they had to pay someone a couple million to take him, but such is life.
 
Across The Field said:
Actually, it's pretty well known that Patricia fucked Okudah up as a rookie by playing him out of position and in the wrong scheme. You say you're a huge Lions fan but you don't know that?
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It is Patricia's fault, It is Aaron Glenn's fault, it is a concussion's fault. Am I missing any other excuses? Maybe the league should talk to the WR and OC's and ask them not to run deep routes on Okudah, because it isn't fair.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Seeing as how Detroit has an entirely knew coaching staff and front office -- I'm confused on why we'd be talking about 15 years ago? But if you did want to -- Detroit had top 5 defenses when we had Suh at DT. Not that it matters, but figured I'd point it out.

And this front office you speak of who "doesn't have a great track record identifying talent" -- Hutchinson finished running up in ROTY voting last year and led rookies in Sacks. James Houston was #2 in the NFL for sacks by a rookie. Kerby Joseph took over as a starter at Safety in the 2nd half of the season. Malcolm Rodriguez was named the the All-Rookie team at LB.

Plus -- the front office was smart enough to rid themselves of a player which only makes the defense better. I look at it as an addition by subtraction. It is unfortunate they had to pay someone a couple million to take him, but such is life.
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One season with Suh - 2014 - you had a top 5 defense. Every other year with him you weren't even top 10. No need to keep lying, man.

Hutchinson was a no-brainer pick. It's like giving Cleveland credit for drafting Myles Garrett. Houston is interesting but it's a very small sample size. We'll see if he can keep it up. Rodriguez made it because there weren't any better options in a weak class. Odd, his PFF rating was almost the same as Okudah's, yet you praise him and act like Okudah is the worst DB in the NFL. Weird...
 
Across The Field said:
One season with Suh - 2014 - you had a top 5 defense. Every other year with him you weren't even top 10. No need to keep lying, man.

Hutchinson was a no-brainer pick. It's like giving Cleveland credit for drafting Myles Garrett. Houston is interesting but it's a very small sample size. We'll see if he can keep it up. Rodriguez made it because there weren't any better options in a weak class. Odd, his PFF rating was almost the same as Okudah's, yet you praise him and act like Okudah is the worsout DB in the NFL. Weird...
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I thought it was back to back years in the top 5 with Suh? It was a while ago. Maybe it was top 5 rush defense?

Anyways -- Houston was #2 in the NFL in sacks for rookies as a 6th round pick. He had more sacks than "no brainer picks" like Trayvon Walker and Kayvon Thibedeaux COMBINED, while playing in half the amount of games.

And Malcolm Rodriguez was a 6th round pick starting as a rookie -- he graded out as a 62.5 and earned all-rookie honors. Jeff Okudah was a top 3 pick and in his third season -- he earned his highest mark of 54.2 or 59 depending on which PFF site you go to . Okudah is being replaced by Cam Sutton, who had a 71.9 PFF grade and Emmanuel Moselely who had a 70.6 PFF grade. So yes -- MONSTER upgrades.
 
Detroit actually had a better division record than Philly did last season.

A lot of people don’t know that.

Only KC & SF had better division records than the Lions.
 
Just a reminder that Chase Young, Jeff Okuda and Damon Arnette are all officially busts from the 2020 draft. Apparently tOSU was badly overrated that year.
 
RobBase (c) said:
Detroit actually had a better division record than Philly did last season.

A lot of people don’t know that.

Only KC & SF had better division records than the Lions.
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the NFC East is much tougher than the NFC North.

so keep searching for that feather to put in your cap...
 
ill said:
the NFC East is much tougher than the NFC North.

so keep searching for that feather to put in your cap...
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Washington? The Lions beat them. We both lost to Dallas though.
 
RobBase (c) said:
Washington? The Lions beat them. We both lost to Dallas though.
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we lost to Dallas with Minshew as our QB

stop trying to compare the Lions to an elite team.
 
ill said:
we lost to Dallas with Minshew as our QB

stop trying to compare the Lions to an elite team.
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I’m not comparing them. I’m just saying the Lions had a better division record (5-1) than Phila (4-2) and 28 other teams.

That’s why they’re favs to win the Norris despite Minnes winning last year. It’s interesting.

Is Minshew still the back up?
 
RobBase (c) said:
I’m not comparing them. I’m just saying the Lions had a better division record (5-1) than Phila (4-2) and 28 other teams.

That’s why they’re favs to win the Norris despite Minnes winning last year. It’s interesting.
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so why mention Philly at all?

The Lions play in a lesser division
 
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