12 Team CFP Playoff

[Wild Turkey]

Can you point to the G5 that was last ranked higher than 12? I can think of Cincy, but they are P4 now. I just don't see it. Liberty was undefeated and they were 18th, or something like that.

UCF 2017. Pretty sure Boise hit that mark as well.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

UCF 2017. Pretty sure Boise hit that mark as well.

So, the "There's a real decent shot at a g5 champ ranked above 12 if not above the bigxii champ" is not really a decent shot. I mean BSU is still G5, but they aren't the BSU of old, and UCF is no P4, along with all the other G5 that were likely to be in the top 11. Sure, it can happen. No, there's not a decent shot that it will happen. There is still a huge gap between the B12 and the ACC and any G5 team when it comes to talent and money.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Can you point to the G5 that was last ranked higher than 12? I can think of Cincy, but they are P4 now. I just don't see it. Liberty was undefeated and they were 18th, or something like that.

Liberty played a garbage schedule. Coastal Carolina finished at #13, which although was not a top 12, could certainly be ranked higher than an ACC or BigXII champ going forward.

Boise State has had multiple years where they finished higher than 12.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

So, the "There's a real decent shot at a g5 champ ranked above 12 if not above the bigxii champ" is not really a decent shot. I mean BSU is still G5, but they aren't the BSU of old, and UCF is no P4, along with all the other G5 that were likely to be in the top 11. Sure, it can happen. No, there's not a decent shot that it will happen. There is still a huge gap between the B12 and the ACC and any G5 team when it comes to talent and money.

Saying something is 99% unlikely, when it has happened multiple times is pretty dumb, even by UGA standards.

 

[Wild Turkey]

So, the "There's a real decent shot at a g5 champ ranked above 12 if not above the bigxii champ" is not really a decent shot. I mean BSU is still G5, but they aren't the BSU of old, and UCF is no P4, along with all the other G5 that were likely to be in the top 11. Sure, it can happen. No, there's not a decent shot that it will happen. There is still a huge gap between the B12 and the ACC and any G5 team when it comes to talent and money.

I think what you might see is G5s avoiding upper tier P2s. It’s going to be tougher for Bama and UGA to get those type games.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I think what you might see is G5s avoiding upper tier P2s. It’s going to be tougher for Bama and UGA to get those type games.

Well the G5s that are just after a paycheck are fine.

But the ones with aspirations of CFP will avoid it unless they can get a home game (1:1 or 2:1)

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Saying something is 99% unlikely, when it has happened multiple times is pretty dumb, even by UGA standards.

FFS ... so far in this thread we have Cincy (now P4), UCF (now P4), and BSU (now sucks). You bring up Coastal Carolina at 13, which is not top 11 and therefore irrelevant. And you infer I am the dumb one?

I obviously used 99% as a figure of speech, not something I ran the numbers on. And, yet, using 99% is a lot more accurate than "decent chance" and again, I am the dumb one?

Face it, there isn't a "decent chance" that the best G5 team will be ranked higher than the P4 AQs. It's highly unlikely. As bad as the ACC and B12 might be compared to the P2, they make 30+ million per team more than the best G5, and they have far better talent. Teams like Utah, Baylor, BYU, KState, Clemson, UNC, FSU, NCSU, and Louisville are far more talented than the best G5.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

FFS ... so far in this thread we have Cincy (now P4), UCF (now P4), and BSU (now sucks). You bring up Coastal Carolina at 13, which is not top 11 and therefore irrelevant. And you infer I am the dumb one?

I obviously used 99% as a figure of speech, not something I ran the numbers on. And, yet, using 99% is a lot more accurate than "decent chance" and again, I am the dumb one?

Face it, there isn't a "decent chance" that the best G5 team will be ranked higher than the P4 AQs. It's highly unlikely. As bad as the ACC and B12 might be compared to the P2, they make 30+ million per team more than the best G5, and they have far better talent. Teams like Utah, Baylor, BYU, KState, Clemson, UNC, FSU, NCSU, and Louisville are far more talented than the best G5.

To me, decent chance is > 20% that a G5 champ is not the 12 seed.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

To me, decent chance is > 20% that a G5 champ is not the 12 seed.

20% when we have identified 3 teams in 20 years that were ranked better than 12? Make it make sense for me. That means you expect that 1 out of every 5 years you expect either (1) the ACC or B12 champ will be ranked below the best G5 team, or a G5 team will be ranked 11th or better. Even though we think that's happened 3 times in 20+ years, all the good G5 teams are now P4, you think that will happen once every five years? Glad to hear the thought process behind that.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

20% when we have identified 3 teams in 20 years that were ranked better than 12? Make it make sense for me. That means you expect that 1 out of every 5 years you expect either (1) the ACC or B12 champ will be ranked below the best G5 team, or a G5 team will be ranked 11th or better. Even though we think that's happened 3 times in 20+ years, all the good G5 teams are now P4, you think that will happen once every five years? Glad to hear the thought process behind that.

There will be new G5 teams rise up...because someone always fills the void. Thinking that no one will is foolish.

Also, I have no faith in the BigXII teams remaining to be highly ranked every year (or the ACC if FSU/Clemson leave).

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

There will be new G5 teams rise up...because someone always fills the void. Thinking that no one will is foolish.

Also, I have no faith in the BigXII teams remaining to be highly ranked every year (or the ACC if FSU/Clemson leave).

Still don't see, but good luck with that.

If FSU/Clemson leave, the ACC is done. But, the format will then go to 4-8 instead of 5-7 because everyone else will leave the ACC and it will go the way of the PAC.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Still don't see, but good luck with that.

If FSU/Clemson leave, the ACC is done. But, the format will then go to 4-8 instead of 5-7 because everyone else will leave the ACC and it will go the way of the PAC.

If FSU/Clemson leave, the ACC basically becomes what the BigXII is now.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

If FSU/Clemson leave, the ACC basically becomes what the BigXII is now.

If FSU/Clemson leave, that means the GOR was broken, and the ACC collapses. UNC and others won't stay as it is no longer a viable football conference. If they can break the GOR, the final chapter of conference expansion will begin, as much as I hate to say it. I don't think that happens for a while. If FSU buys their way out, I am not sure any other ACC can afford it - I don't know that FSU can. But, the Big12 is way better than the ACC without FSU and Clemson.

 

[CoalTrain]

If Notre Dame stays in bed with the ACC after FSU, Clemson ect. Leave then I don’t think they’ll have to worry about a top… 4,5,6 seed anyway because SOS gonna be too weak.

 

[Wild Turkey]

If Notre Dame stays in bed with the ACC after FSU, Clemson ect. Leave then I don’t think they’ll have to worry about a top… 4,5,6 seed anyway because SOS gonna be too weak.

ND will have cause to renegotiate their contract and it will most likely mean fewer football games but still have a home for their other sports.

They will be fine and will stay independent as long as they can manage it. The time is coming where they will have to choose a conference or get left out.

In the next decade the SEC and B1G will split off and they will be the top of the pyramid and I don’t see them allowing ND a piece of that without full commitment.

 

[Deep Creek]

If you’re asking for an opinion think the top 12 ranked teams get in and seeded accordingly but evidently no one is that smart.

No, I was just pointing out that there will be teams (and have been teams) that get into the CFP without having played that 13th game that you pointed out creates wear and tear on the bodies. They won’t get the bye either and could be playing a 13th game against an opponent that is playing their 14th.

 

[Thiefery]

so now they are thinking of expanding it to 14 teams now...

 

[Deep Creek]

Yes but they have the same disadvantage as ND. No chance at a bye

No chance at a bye but they could (and probably will) be playing against a team that is playing their 14th game. Some consider that an advantage.

The four byes and the four home fields are advantages as well as not playing the extra game. And from what I understand, that’s intentional to make more late season games have meaning.

 

[Thiefery]

if my Horns were undefeated or with just a loss and got the 5th seed.. how could i get mad? play a game at home vs Tulane or something.. then two weeks later play the weakest school from the ACC or Big12 who most likely will play with rust over waiting almost 4 weeks

 

[OlyDuck]

Face it, there isn't a "decent chance" that the best G5 team will be ranked higher than the P4 AQs. It's highly unlikely. As bad as the ACC and B12 might be compared to the P2, they make 30+ million per team more than the best G5, and they have far better talent. Teams like Utah, Baylor, BYU, KState, Clemson, UNC, FSU, NCSU, and Louisville are far more talented than the best G5.

and yet in 2022 Kansas state lost to Tulane and Kansas state won the Big XII
Utah in 2021 losing to BYU and San Diego State and winning the Pac